Dr Henning Saupe explores the thinking behind cancer and cancer treatments that guides our approach to care.
Dr Henning Saupe is becoming increasingly well known internationally for his coherent views on integrative cancer care. In this episode of the Yes to Life Show he explores the approach to treating cancer espoused by conventional care for more than a century, its strengths and its weaknesses, and contrasts this with the emerging view of the most successful integrative methods. Importantly, the thinking on which specific therapies are based is given an airing to tease apart the dogma and the science, and to establish what the best approaches might be, were we not beleaguered by the fears we hold – as the general public, as diagnosed patients and as cancer doctors – that are based on an outdated understanding of cancer.
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Robin Daly Hi and welcome to the Yes to Life show on UK Health Radio. I’m Robin Daly, your host for the show and also founder of the UK charity Yes to Life, who’s been making the case for integrative cancer care for 20 years. My guest on the show this week is a distinguished and increasingly well -known integrative doctor from Germany, Dr. Henning Sauper. Today we’ll be making an important exploration of the thinking and ideas behind cancer treatments and trying to uncover some usable information hidden beneath the dogma and fear that surrounds cancer. Henning, welcome to the Yes2Life show.
Dr Henning Saupe Robin, it’s a pleasure to meet you again in your audience today. It has been a while since we have had a talk with you. I’m excited to answer your questions and to have this hour with you.
Robin Daly Lovely yeah you’re right it’s been a lot too long. So today I want to focus on a topic that often gets a mention from a wide variety of my guests on the show but it’s never been the subject of a complete show on its own, it’s never been given the kind of exposure that maybe it deserves and that’s the concept that as a dangerous enemy cancer needs the strongest treatments. Now this makes sort of sense superficially at least and certainly if we take the picture of cancer as it’s been portrayed for decades really as a disease that predictably starts off slowly, picks up speed and then it runs away exponentially and kills us unless we’re able to get in fairly early on and kill or remove every last message of the disease. Well then it looks like heavy bombardments away to go but anyway today’s show we’ll be aiming to question that paradigm. So before we get down to the detail do you want to give us your kind of top level view on this way of thinking, this approach to treatment, the shock and awe bombing method.
Dr Henning Saupe Yeah, thank you for that question. It’s spot on, Robin, what we need to look at, because the general approach in Western world medicine, what we call evidence -based medicine is still, if you ask me, far too much targeted at killing cancer cells, and as you said, at the cost of the highest cost possible, let’s just kill cancer. And I mean, if we look at the, at the results, at the benefits of life prolongation and the prognosis of patients living with metastasized diseases and what they can expect from maximum tolerated chemotherapy or immune therapy that comes with a long list of potentially life -threatening side effects, I think about checkpoint inhibitors, we might need to change our perspective to get better results in the future,
Dr Henning Saupe to mention a number that is published in a prestigious English paper by a prestigious London -based oncologist, Mr. Swanton, Dr. Swanton, the average benefit from the 70 drugs that were registered under the headline of immunotherapy in oncology is a 2 .3 month prolongation of the punch to change our perspective from a tumor -targeted cancer -focused approach to a more terrain -focused approach to look more at the entire system, the human body that lives around a cancerous limb and not only to stare at the cancerous limb and try to kill it by all means. So I believe your question is spot on and very, very important, and we can use that to enter the field of complementary holistic medicine and explain why that is so important.
Dr Henning Saupe It’s a sad fact that the goal to kill all existing cancer cells in a human organism is something that most likely never will happen. I thought for a long period of time that it could be accomplished in leukemias, in blood -based tumors or cancerous diseases, neoplasias, as it’s called, leukemia, blood cancer. But I had to learn that my dear colleagues in hematology say that they do not accomplish the goal to kill all existing leukemia cells. They talk about a remission, a deep remission, and now they talk about a very deep remission, which means there are still some surviving cancer cells, even after the harshest chemotherapy that they can provide. And that is even more the case for the organ -based carcinomas, as we say, the more classic types of cancer, the big names like breast cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer, digestive tract cancer with solid cancerous masses, where we never reach the goal to kill all existing cancer cells with chemotherapy.
Dr Henning Saupe So that is the fact that I can refer to the literature to prove my statement. And if that is the case, then we need to think in a different way what we want to achieve. If it’s not possible to kill all existing cancer cells, then we have to take that into account and define a new goal. And that is for me to control of cancer and a good and long life being in control of cancer and to abandon the notion that we can eradicate all existing cancer cells. And the same applies for infectious diseases, actually. Most infectious diseases are treated with strong antibiotics or strong anti -viral drugs. And the goal is to suppress the number of microorganisms down to a level where my body can control the cells that have survived the antibiotic antimicrobial treatment. And a sterile body does not exist here on Earth. We will know. I dare to say we will never be free of cancer cells down to the level of zero cancer cells. So we have to find a way to control cancer and abandon the strategy to kill it.
Robin Daly Well, look, that’s very useful now. While you were talking, I was thinking to myself, well, of course, the condition where we have cancer but it’s under control could be the way of describing somebody who’s healthy, actually, is because we do all have cancerous cells, I understand, all the time, but we’re dealing with them. So, actually, restoring health isn’t getting rid of cancer cells. It’s restoring to a level and restoring the immune system to a capacity that it can deal with the situation and keep us well. So, it is a different endgame I blame now, quite a different goal, isn’t it?
Dr Henning Saupe Absolutely. And amongst my many, many articles that have collected the last 20 years, articles in oncology, there is one that has a very dared headline. It says, why we should not conquer cancer, why we should not try to defeat it. And it’s an article that was published in a German magazine called GEO. And it summarizes interviews that have been done with cancer scientists from American, US American research laboratories. And they came to the conclusion that the stronger we try to kill cancer in a metastasized stage of the disease, the more we switch on survival mechanisms and mutation activities in the cancerous lumps that result in a more and more heterogeneous colony of cancer cells that became experts in surviving all the the toxic treatments that we exposed them to.
Dr Henning Saupe And that the result is worse than a mild approach where we strive after our balance and control. So balance and control is based on this article, the better strategy because nature finds a way to hit back if we hit too strongly with two toxic emanation.
Robin Daly I want to go into that a bit more as well. It’s a very important point that one I think. Well look, just before we go on, I wonder if we could just do a quick overview of the negatives of treating cancer with this shock and awe tactics. The kind of things that are unwanted side effects basically. We’re not intending to cause these things but they happen and they’re the cost that people pay for having their cancer treated in this way. Whether it’s successful in controlling the cancer or not.
Dr Henning Saupe If we divide it into two sections, classic cytotoxic chemotherapy, which started in Boston in 1947, when Dr. Faber treated for the first time a child with leukemia, with an anti -folic acid drug, an anti -metabolite that replaced folic acid in the production of blood cells and kicked it out so that he caused a medicineally induced folic acid deficiency by giving a wrong substitute for folic acid. That was the first chemotherapy given in 1947, and it worked fairly well. The boys survived a few months longer than what was expected without a therapy, and then the therapies improved, and the toxic drugs became more and more refined. In hemato -oncology, we see reasonably good results with toxic chemotherapy because leukemia cells are reasonably sensitive to the attack with chemotherapy and the side effects are of course based on the fact that no chemotherapy is 100% specific.
Dr Henning Saupe That means no chemotherapy only kills cancer. Chemotherapy drugs are poisonous because they block essential enzymatic reactions in the reproduction of cells in the living organism and the advantage we have and why we at all dare to expose a human body to toxins is because we know that cancer cells are hyperactive and they pick up more of this toxic drug than healthy cells and that’s why they are hit more badly by the toxicity of the drug than healthy cells but the problem is always lack of specificity. It’s not specific enough to only kill the bad cells, it always kills some of the good cells too and that’s where the side effects come. So what cells are most likely to be affected negatively by chemotherapy?
Dr Henning Saupe All the cells that have a high metabolic rate that is the bone marrow cells that produce our white and red blood cells and the platelets and the cells in our digestive tract from mouse to the other side where the layers and the soft tissues of our digestive tract needs to be replaced within a few days and these cells are very hyperactive. They are pretty active, they have a fast turnover and they are also affected very badly by chemotherapy. That’s why patients suffer from ulcers, nausea, vomiting, irritation in the entire digestive tract, loss of appetite, weight loss and then the bone marrow is already sad, poor blood values, low cell counts that gives raise to a lot of consequences, low blood cell counts mean poor immune system risk for infaction,
Dr Henning Saupe low red blood cell counts mean lack of oxygen absorption and transport and that’s the essence of life, we need oxygen and if we get poor red blood cell counts and low hemoglobin we cannot transport oxygen and if we have no oxygen we get tired, we get fatigued, we get concentration issues etc. So it hits the basis of the vitality of our body and if we go into the biochemistry it hits the mitochondria very badly, what are the mitochondria? Those are all the energy producing units inside our cells, every living cell organism carries around a hundred up to one thousand tiny little energy plants called mitochondria, that’s where we transform the oxygen we inhale and the food we eat into biological energy and these mitochondria are very sensitive to toxins and they get affected very badly and that’s actually the contradiction in a nutshell.
Dr Henning Saupe There is a secondary way to treat cancer based on the the signs of Otto Warburg, a former Nobel Prize laureate from the 1930s to 60s and then Professor Thomas Seyfried, a professor in biology and biochemistry who is still very active at Boston University and the author of a book called Cancer as a Metabolic Disease and behind this metabolic disease we speak very much about the biochemistry of the mitochondria and the energy producing units. So the secondary way if we listen to Otto Warburg and his successor Thomas Seyfried would be to repair the mitochondrial damage in cancer cells, that would be the alternative way to cure cancer or treat cancer opposite or exactly opposite to the toxic way to kill cancer, that would be the repair of cancer if we repair the mitochondrial impairments and deficiencies with diet and supplements and lifestyle changes and chemotherapy does exactly the opposite,
Dr Henning Saupe that gives us more damage of the mitochondria makes cancer a little worse, that means the cells that have not died from toxicity and there will always be surviving cells, that’s a sad fact, the exception might be leukemia but as I said even in leukemia some cells will survive but for sure the solid cancers will not die entirely from toxic chemotherapy, the dosage we would need to eradicate all existing cancer cells in a human body would be lethal for the entire body, so sorry that will not work, so the surviving cells get damaged by chemotherapy and become more aggressive, that’s another dilemma, we kill some cancer cells but we make the surviving cells more aggressive, we push them into mutations, we teach them how to survive the toxic attack with chemotherapy and that represents the dilemma, why are the surviving rates and why is the prognosis not better than what we can read in the literature,
Dr Henning Saupe that is the answer because we kill not all cancer cells, we leave the body intoxicated, we reduce bone marrow vitality and digestive tract vitality, we even reduce brain vitality after chemotherapy and we make the cancer cells more aggressive through mutation, that’s a pretty scary scenario where we need to find alternative to get out of this needle.
Robin Daly limo. Absolutely and yeah and it is very noteworthy that actually one of the major side effects of conventional care is this weakening of the immune system and as we’ve already said parts of returning to health is returning to a situation where we have control of any cancer cells that are there for which of course we need the immune system. So that’s a very important point. The other thing that doesn’t get talked about nearly enough I don’t think in regard to conventional treatments is of course we everybody will advise us from the World Health Organization down that we should be trying to avoid carcinogens in our life because these are the things that can kill us and of course they are carcinogenic treatments. You know that the one of the quite common side effects of radiotherapy for example is death. So you know from cancer so you know bone cancer in people who’ve been treated with radiotherapy is leukemia.
Robin Daly Yeah it’s very common and it doesn’t get spoken about nearly enough you know there’s even people who are not killed by it can have the most horrendous lives later on due to the effects of the radiotherapy. So yeah it should be spoken about more and they all point like Matt the fact we need as you say some far better solutions. Right. So that said let’s come back to what you were saying about this response of cancer to heavy -handed treatment. Now there have been some very interesting parallels drawn between pests in nature that’s plants and animals and the results of attempting to eradicate them in a heavy -handed way by you know toxic chemicals or whatever it is. Same stuff actually but doing that as opposed to controlling them and so maybe you could just elaborate a bit on that for us.
Dr Henning Saupe Well, adaptation is nature’s strongest survival mechanism. We wouldn’t be here and having this conversation if we would not be the result of a many million year ongoing process of adaptation. And that is also true for microorganisms in the world of infectious diseases, epidemics, etc. And what we talk about today, cancer in a human body. It’s a competitive system of two life forms, cancer and me. And the stronger I try to kill it, if I don’t find the way to kill it once and forever which seems to be close to impossible, then it will strike back more aggressively if it survives in some cells my attempt to kill it. That’s a natural phenomenon that is described in biology and it’s a part of the biology of the evolution of all species on our planet. Including acicles. Yes. So where do we find the most dreadful germs?
Dr Henning Saupe Guess where? In operating theaters where we try to kill them every, every day. That’s where the most dangerous and aggressive infections wait for us. And that is, that’s a dilemma for hospital hygiene experts to not overdo their activities to try to make this operating theater super, super sterile. Number one, it will not, it’s not possible on earth to get a super zero germ sterile environment and the stronger you try it, the more aggressively you try it, the more you cause the production of super aggressive multi -resistant germs. It’s a dilemma. So what is the answer? To do it gently, to not overdo it. Of course, to make everything possible, to clean the rooms where we opened human bodies with surgical knives and try to avoid infections by all means. But if we push it too strongly, then it results in the production of super aggressive multi -resistant bacteria. And we have a problem that we cannot handle because we don’t have the antibiotics to take care of the infections.
Dr Henning Saupe And so there is something that I call a sweet spot between overdoing it and not doing it at all. Of course, cancer is a dreadful disease that would kill the organism if we don’t interfere. So we need to do something for sure. And sometimes we need, we don’t have so much time. Cancer, in some cases, grows very aggressively and fast from the day it is diagnosed. So yes, we have to take action to try to block the growth. And the surgeon has its part on the map. But surgeons cannot do so much for patients with metastasized disease, so we need to do some systematic treatments to help the organism to keep the… The cancerous growth on the control, but here’s my point. When we do more than what is, what would be the ideal sweet spot of toxic therapy, then the result is worse than doing a little less. And of course, that’s a very complicated question. Where, where is the sweet spot?
Dr Henning Saupe How much, how do we have to push cancer back with toxic ammunition? Uh, where is the point from where on we get a worse result than, than doing a little less? Uh, that’s why we try, uh, to find ways and we don’t, we have found ways here at our clinic and, and, and in my, in the clinics of my colleagues that are in the same movement of less toxic treatments and more holistic treatments, where we try to lower the dosages of toxic drugs and, um, compensate the lower dosage or make the lower dosage, uh, strong again, by using, uh, some techniques, uh, that have the power and the potential to amplify the anti -cancer effect of the lower dosage of the toxic drug.
Dr Henning Saupe And what I, what I talk about is the techniques that are called insulin potentiation, low dose chemotherapy, or second technique is hypothermia as a parallel, given a treatment that enhances the toxic effect of chemotherapy through heat and overheated, uh, cancerous tissue is more vulnerable, is more open for the attack, uh, uh, and, and, uh, more sensitive to chemotherapy attack than a tumor is a lumbar tissue at normal body temperature. This phenomenon is described in the medical literature over and over again. I have in my cupboards here in my computer, literally hundreds of articles that prove that hypothermia is worthwhile doing the rest is a question of technique and which device to use and how to apply the energies to overheat the organ. But if you treat an overheated tumor, let’s say at the temperature of around 42, 43, 44 degrees centigrade, uh, with chemotherapy, the die -off rate is more than double as good as under normal conditions.
Dr Henning Saupe So those two techniques to lower, uh, blood sugar with insulin and then give the chemotherapy and overheat the tumor, uh, are two strategies very well described in the medical literature that can save you dosage. And if you have, if you apply a lower dosage, you have a more gentle treatment, you have less side effects. The way we use low dose chemotherapy offers our patients a possibility to have almost no side effects, neither measurable if we look at their blood values, nor feelable in terms of fatigue or, or rashes or inflammation. So I believe those, those two strategies should be used more and should be investigated more intensively in larger trials. And you and I know why that, that does not happen at the moment and why the chances are low that it will happen in the sooner future.
Dr Henning Saupe There is no lobby, there’s no sponsoring, uh, there is no interest to show that the drugs work much better at a lower dosage enhanced by a little bit of insulin or heat. Uh, so there’s no money in these strategies and that’s why we don’t see clinical trials at the moment.
Robin Daly Yeah. So it’s interesting, isn’t it? When you’ve had a whole, you’ve got this picture of cancer I described at the beginning of needing this strong treatment and you have, you know, we’ve had years of sort of patients going in clamouring for more chemo, you know, give me everything you can, doc. Yeah. You know, that kind of attitude is there. And so it’s built into the public now from this kind of conditioning we’ve had. I’m sure that the oncologists themselves have this sort of fear of underdosing as well, probably the same thing. And it kind of likens to me, you’re talking about a scenario which is rather like breaking on ice. Yeah. When you’re used to using your brakes, you want to start quickly, you have to stamp on them as hard as you can. But if you’re on ice, it doesn’t work. And actually taking your foot off a bit is what gives you control. But to learn to do that, it’s pretty hard. It goes against the grain and when you’ve been conditioned, you use the brakes.
Robin Daly So it’s a bit like that, the situation we’re with at the moment to try and turn around this juggernaut of loads of chemo.
Dr Henning Saupe And it’s the consequence of a change of mindset in the brains and minds of medical doctors that took place about 150 years ago. It came with many advantages. We developed stunning techniques to fix broken legs and perform surgery, open art surgery, et cetera. That is, I mean, full admiration of these techniques, but that the change in mindset was from looking at the balance of power in a human organism that was the leading concept in medicine for thousands of years, uh, uh, from Hippocrates on until the middle of the 19th century, medical doctors had this idea of balancing, uh, the human organism. And, uh, with the time of Rudolf Murchov, the leading pathologist in Berlin at, at the year 1855, he published his textbook on cellular pathology, uh, and ridiculed the idea of balance of power and said, all we need to do is to kill the bad cells diseases are based on bad cells.
Dr Henning Saupe So let’s cut them out or kill them. That was Rudolf Murchov, 1855. And, and that was, that was such a game changer and yes, we gained on one side. We, we developed techniques based on mechanics and the mechanical understanding of the nature of the human body, but our body is so much more than a mechanical, uh, a box or machine. And when it comes to immune system and, and, and, and complex diseases like cancer and autoimmune diseases, this mechanical thinking is not adequate. We need to get back at least a little bit and at least in the corner of chronic complex diseases to think again, in terms of balance and health in infectious diseases and cancerous diseases is a question of balance. And, and, and that, that, that is the essential change that we need to, to, uh, make in our minds again and, and, and get out of the military thinking of let’s bombard that a tracer.
Robin Daly Yeah, you’re absolutely right. Well, that’s something I talk about all the time trying to work to change it because my experience in being in charge of yes to life and talking to hundreds, thousands of people about their cancer is that far from this exponential picture we’ve been fed, people who are sensible and are doing some good stuff will have cancer that goes up and down and can have long periods of control and then it might need their protocol adjusted a bit or whatever. But, you know, they can actually turn around a stage four diagnosis into a long and fulfilling light. So this is what we’re talking about. So look, you’ve spoken about one aspect that integrated medicine brings to the table, which is this idea that the standard care is useful, but not in the way it’s used. It could be much more useful than it is. So it’s not thrown out the window, but it’s just saying, well, look, let’s look at a more intelligent way of using these tools that have been developed. Exactly.
Robin Daly So that’s half of the picture. But as you said, it works in the opposite direction to a lot of treatments that are based on our metabolism and our immune system and are working in the opposite direction to restore us to health, which given the picture we painted at the beginning, which is that health means that we’ve got a good balance and we’re in control of the situation. Not that we’re totally sterile, but we’re in control, we’re on top and it’s all going fine. Can you talk about the rounded picture now of integrated medicine and how these two opposite forces, if you like, of promotion and health promotion on the one side and reducing the cancer burden on the other side, how they can work together in integrated medicine?
Dr Henning Saupe If I look back to the 32 years that I have been in this world of complementary medicine and oncology as a medical doctor, what I learned is that yes, we need to include surgery, especially in early stages of the disease. If somebody calls me in a stage one or two and has not done surgery yet, the first thing I tell him or her is, please see a surgeon and let’s cut the tumor out as long as that can be in a curative intention. It would be a shame to not do it, you would risk your life, I don’t know of a powerful treatment that is based only on natural ingredients and non -toxic products that gives you a chance to overcome the disease completely without surgery. So that’s my first message. The story changes completely if it’s a stage three or four. Stage three would be one distant metastasie. Stage four is multiple distant metastasies where we have to acknowledge it’s a system disease now.
Dr Henning Saupe The surgeon cannot control it any longer. The surgeon cannot cut out all the tumors and if he would do it, there would still be circulating tumor cells that would seed in the body and produce new metastasies. So we have to treat the patient system systemically. And in this situation, which is my work from morning to evening, 80 -90% of the patients I see come in stage three or four is to handle these two aspects of attacking cancer and building up vitality, repairing the mitochondria, caring for a vital terrain that allows the patient to live long and happily with a good quality of life for hopefully many years, sometimes decades with cancer. And the proportion that I apply here at our clinic in generally, roughly speaking, is I would say one to five. One unit against cancer, four units of treatment for vitality, for mitochondrial repair, for general vitality.
Dr Henning Saupe And I already mentioned the two strategies that are the most promising in my experience to attack cancer. That is anti -cancer drugs and they are not only toxic ones. We know nowadays that there is an impressive number of natural molecules based on natural products like turmeric, green tea extract, Chinese wormwood, vitamin C that have a strong potential to kill cancer with almost no mentionable side effects. And those are my favorite drugs, mistletoe, turmeric, resveratrol. And here in Germany, we medical doctors get hold of injectable forms of these drugs in relevant dosages. We have compound pharmacies and German doctors are allowed to order these drugs as a prescription drug on an individual basis because these drugs are not registered on the large market.
Dr Henning Saupe But we can order them from compound pharmacies based on individual prescriptions. So we get hold of injectable resveratrol from grapes, injectable turmeric from curcumin from turmeric and mistletoe is registered and has a long history in Germany so that’s easy to get in the United Kingdom. Vitamin C is easy to get and you need relevant dosage. We talk about 50 gram not milligram and then it becomes a specific anti -cancer drug. So that in combination with heat is a good way to attack cancer.
Dr Henning Saupe If you need a stronger and faster effect we use low dose chemo with the synthetic chemotherapy drugs that every oncologist uses but we use them in an adapted dosage of about 20% compared to the 100% in a regular protocol and we enhance their pharmaceutical effect with insulin so we lower blood sugar open the cell membranes in a low blood sugar environment in the body and then the cancer cells get absorbed much more effectively in cancer cancerous tissues when blood sugar is low that technique is called insulin compensation low dose chemotherapy and has been used for more than 80 years but it never became accepted in the world of hospital oncology or evidence -based oncology because nobody conducted the big studies that would be needed to introduce it into mainstream medicine.
Dr Henning Saupe So that is what we do in an anti -cancer approach and the main characteristic of these therapies compared to standard strategies is it’s much less toxic much much much less toxic so it does not result in a damage of the brain the digestive tract organs and the bone marrow. You mentioned radiotherapy. Radiotherapy is a very strong and powerful tool when you need a fast reduction of a tumor that would kill your patient in no time and then we just have no other option. We’re so grateful that we have high precision radiotherapy for certain brain tumors or for bone metastases in the vertebra column and yes we have to to accept the side effects but through modern computer technology the side effect main effect proportion is much better than 10, 20, 30 years ago and so it’s a it’s a tool if you need a fast reduction of tumors masses. Yes we combine it sometimes by the way hypothermia is the best known treatment enhancer for radiotherapy. It gives you about 50% better response rate.
Dr Henning Saupe It’s published in mainstream magazines a long time ago. Lancet oncology has published it already 20 years ago and but there was no lobby for hypothermic technique so it’s a shame that it is not used. 50% better overall response rate if you would combine it with radiotherapy the same day and it would not cost so much. The devices are much cheaper than the radiotherapy devices but the tragedy is based on a lack of financing and lack of lobbying of larger studies. So we use it we have hypothermia here we have a co -operating radiotherapy clinic in the vicinity of our our clinic so we we can do it same day hypothermia and radiotherapy it’s a great it gives a great synergy effect.
Dr Henning Saupe So and the rest is classic naturopathic pro vitality medicine to build up the immune system with mistletoe with digestive enzymes anti -inflammatory diet energy treatments with pulsed electromagnetic frequency devices with inhalation of hydrogen a very super cool new therapy that we have incorporated here at our clinic some three four years ago Go to the literature, go to PubMed, and look up hydrogen inhalation and cancer. You will be surprised what you find. Many of these studies and publications come from Asian countries, and they have literally found that the inhalation of a gas that is so simple to produce, you can produce it from distilled water in a little generator that splits up water into its components and you inhale hydrogen. It’s a tasteless, smellless gas, and it has the potential to not only reduce inflammation and improve mitochondrial bioactivity, but it also switches on apoptosis, the last program to die naturally in cancer cells.
Dr Henning Saupe I don’t tell the audience here that hydrogen inhalation is the cure of cancer, but it’s worthwhile as a totally harmless, zero side effect add -on therapy to raise your chances to live longer and better with your condition, hydrogen inhalation. Of course, we look at microbiome and gut health, we work with probiotics and gut repair, anti -inflammatory drugs for the gut system that is in patients who are treated with chemotherapy, most of the time affected by the side effects of chemotherapy and that is gut dysbiosis, so an impairment, an imbalance of the bacterial gut flora, and in very, very many patients we see leaky gut syndrome and a mild gut inflammation, and that can be cured with probiotics with natural substances like butyric acid and aloe vera, fibers, anti -inflammatory drugs like turmeric, enzymes, and is that important that we have a healthy gut, a healthy gut microbiome?
Dr Henning Saupe Oh yes, for sure it’s important, it’s massively important, and it has been shown in the last years and even in publications that patients who have care for a good micro environment in their gut, good microbiome can expect a better outcome of chemotherapy, it’s published.
Robin Daly Now look, your passion for this field is oozing out everywhere, very interesting, only just getting stuck into that topic, but I don’t want to finish without just having a quick word about your new book you brought out, Holistic Cancer Medicine, I’ve been lucky enough to have a brief look through it myself, and do you want to just tell us a little bit about who it’s for, what you’re hoping to achieve with the book.
Dr Henning Saupe So it’s for everybody, Robin. It’s for us who don’t want to get the disease and it’s for the ones who are affected with it in all stages. It took me more than 10 years to get it down to paper, holistic cancer medicine. I wrote notes for years and I collected data and articles, but as my first occupation is not being a book writer and author, but a medical doctor, it took me many, many years. It was not bad that it took so long time because I had all the time to collect more and more data. So it’s an empowerment book for everybody who wants to understand what cancer is. How is it possible that cancer cells grow out of control in a human organism? I described that very, very clearly and I use words that everybody can understand. So it’s a book for everybody, for laymen. If I use a specific term, I explain it. There is an index where we can look up the words and what they mean and I guide the reader through the history of cancer and how we looked at cancer in different periods of time in our history.
Dr Henning Saupe And then I describe cancer as a consequence of a shortage of biological energy in a human organism. That’s a very short summary. And I mentioned 12 factors that play essential roles in this drama, how cancer comes about in a human body and starts to grow. So I speak about 12, I call them vitality field factors that either care for an organism that keeps cancer on the smallest level, under control, on a cellular level and that’s not what we call a disease, that’s just a phenomenon that everybody lives with, although very few people know that. And if these 12 factors are weakened, it becomes more and more likely that we develop a cancerous disease and then these factors turn around in what I call cancer attracting factors. To mention a few examples, inflammation.
Dr Henning Saupe So inflammation control is a vitality factor, chronic inflammation is a cancer attracting factor or oxygen. To have enough oxygen in our tissues is a key factor that holds cancer grows at bay and the opposite of it, what we call hypoxia, is a cancer attracting factor. If a part of our body is chronically short of oxygen, this shortage of oxygen promotes the growth of cancer cells. So altogether I describe 12 of these factors and then based on the knowledge of these factors, I describe all kinds of therapies that one can do in prevention, in treatment, in all different scenarios as an add -on treatment, as an alternative treatment, as a treatment parallel to the mainstream oncology treatments that are provided at our hospitals. And I also guide the reader through the field that is very, very interesting for me and that is how our mind, how our body interacts. And yes, the answer is it interacts very, very intensively. Our mind and our body are not in two different worlds.
Dr Henning Saupe It’s one world and what we think and feel every day affects the production of our brain biochemistry and the brain biochemistry affects the effectiveness of our immune system and our health in general. So there is also a chapter about stress control, relaxation, mind -body connection and mindfulness thinking, et cetera.
Robin Daly I had to say, there’s a lot in there. It’s a great book, it’s full of resources, it’s brilliant. I really enjoyed looking through it. And I really like the fact you end on your paradox at the end that cancer and a good life are not mutually exclusive. And it was a good point to end the book on. So look, we’re out of time. That was a rollercoaster tour there. Thank you very much indeed, very interesting talk and a great topic to have talked about this business of how we approach cancer, a vital one I feel and one that needs a lot more examination. So thanks very much for talking about it today. Thank you Robin, it was a pleasure.
Dr Henning Saupe Bye!
Robin Daly Many thanks for listening today, keep an eye out for Dr. Saup’s valuable new book, Holistic Cancer Medicine, and if you can, do join me again next week for another Yes to Life show.
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