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Robin Daly
Hi and welcome to the Yes To Life show on UK Health Radio. I’m Robin Daly, host for the show as usual, and I’m also founder of Yes To Life, the UK charity that’s been supporting people with cancer and learning about and using integrative medicine for almost two decades. Some of the most interesting work in this field is being driven by lay people who have harnessed their own experience of cancer to drive them to make discoveries or create resources that might never have occurred within mainstream science and medicine. I’ve hosted several of these pioneers on the show over the years, people like Andrew Scarborough, Daniel Stanciu, Jay McClellan, and of course Mark Linton with his cell suppression theory of cancer. Today’s guest is in the same vein. Josh Fulton found himself facing a situation in which his treasured wife was very ill with cancer, and he channeled his energy that was employed in researching options for her treatment into a book as a resource for all. I was speaking to Josh about his book, Cancer Self-Defense 101 in the United States. Thanks so much for being my guest on the Yes To Life show.

Josh Fulton
Thank you for having me.

Robin Daly
we’re here to speak about your book, Cancer Self Defense 101, Quick Tips to Help You Survive. it’s a book that’s been born out of hard-won personal experience, but right at the outset, you do let your readers know that it’s not got a happy ending for you personally. I wonder if you mind by starting out giving us an outline of what happened in the case of your wife Katrina.

Josh Fulton
Right. So Katrina had stage three melanoma in 2013. then she beat it with this drug called interferon. also the fact that she couldn’t eat for a long time, which might have contributed to it. then it came back at the end of 2019. she did a standard of care for a while. At first she did like targeted therapy, which worked well then it stopped working. then she did immunotherapy, which kind of had side effects, didn’t work too well for her. then she developed brain tumors and they did radiation. during that whole time, I was, you know, up all night, I was researching, going through PubMed left and right, looking up everything about melanoma and all the clinical trials. once the radiation didn’t work, she just said to me, did you see that the way they looked at me in that meeting? Because the radiation oncologist was just conveying with his eyes what he couldn’t convey with his words, what such as this is over, you know, like you better start planning right now. I had been reading a lot and, you know, I read about integrative clinics and I, I kind of found a few that seemed good to me. And with no other options left realistically, we drove from North Carolina to Tijuana, Mexico, because she, yeah, it took three days. And she was a soldier. I mean, she, she actually drove the majority of the time. So we went to Tijuana and the very first day I saw someone in the cafeteria down there who had a big tumor on their neck for head and neck cancer, like the size of a soft bone. it finally decreased enough to where she was able to eat for the first time at two over three years. I saw numerous people like that. I saw people literally getting out of wheelchairs in this clinic. my own wife had a great success. She went down there with eight fulminating brain tumors. within six weeks, she had five and the five that she had were half the size. So I became convinced that this was something to take seriously. We should have been doing it from the beginning. I was a believer. So the way that things went from good to bad, you know, she was walking a mile with me in the hot Tijuana sun every day from the clinic to the hotel. She got radiofrequency ablation in her liver, which I thought would be perfectly fine. within a week, I might’ve been three days later, might’ve been four days later, I was like, why are we doing it this soon? But she got open surgery to remove a few tumors, like one in her breasts and a few on her back. And, you know, I think that she just wanted to dump, you know, our perspective was, wow, we had this amazing success in Tijuana. We can come back whenever we have this behind us, let’s get this out of her body. the combination of the radiofrequency ablation and the surgery, you know, turned a success into a failure, unfortunately. Within a week, you know, she went from walking a mile in the hot Tijuana sun to needing to be pushed right in a wheelchair. it just didn’t go well from there, but she was a warrior and a very generous person. the book is written with her in mind.

Robin Daly
it’s obviously produced the basis for you on why you’ve done, obviously, an immense amount of work to produce this book for others. You start out the book by telling the story of Beth Jacobson, which is an instructive story for sure. Do you want to tell the story?

Josh Fulton
Sure. The reason I gave that story is because so often people are discredited if they’re not medical doctors or if they have no medical degree. Beth Jacobson was a person without a medical degree. Her husband had multiple myeloma and she was just into saving her husband’s life. Imagine that. So she did a lot of research and she found that thalidomide was having success in leukemia. so she thought there was a similarity between multiple myeloma and leukemia. So she suggested it to the oncologist and maybe the most remarkable part of the story is that the oncologist actually listened to her. All right. The oncologist prescribed it for her husband. And unfortunately, her husband didn’t have a remission and he passed away. But a person who is also being treated, I guess, on the same floor of the hospital, he also got thalidomide, probably like the first or second in the country to do so. he did have a complete remission. now Celgen, the manufacturers of thalidomide, although I’m sure it’s generic now, the majority of their revenue, which is like nearly $3 billion, I think, comes from the sale of thalidomide for multiple myeloma. The reason that I mentioned that is that’s just one example of many, and I have personal examples of this, when a layman or a laywoman can, through the power of their intelligence and through proper research, come up with good ideas. It’s not like the medical oncology establishment has a monopoly on good ideas because even though they’re so well studied, they can’t implement things like we can implement them. They’re bound by the standard of care. So they can’t just experiment even if that’s why it’s rare for a doctor to do what he did for Beth Jacobs. As you and I both know, there are many off-label drugs that show promise for cancer, yet they’re just not prescribed because they’re not part of the standard of care.

Robin Daly
Anyway, there’s certainly, there’s a great combination in the kind of study that you did where you’ve got the driving force of the wish to save somebody’s life and that you love combined with out of the box thinking, if you like, not, and being railroaded by previous people’s thinking necessarily in the same way that somebody’s been trained is. So I think it’s, yeah, as you say, it does often lead to some remarkable discoveries. So I wanted to run through the content of the book. Mostly it’s going to be pretty cursory, of course, because of time constraints, but along the way, I want to spotlight various bits and pieces. That said, I think it was a pretty strong case to be made for starting at the end of your book and reading the summary, actually, to help decide where to place your focus, because there’s very different content in there from stuff which, like everybody who’s just been diagnosed could usefully read to stuff which they could save for a lot later, maybe, or is not even relevant, possibly. So it’s quite, it is worth, I think, having a look in that summary because it does a good job of telling you what you got there. But you set it out in a very kind of stepwise manner and the first four chapters are dedicated to advice for what to do at diagnosis and after. Do you want to just tell us about those four chapters at the beginning of the book, what you’re hoping to convey there?

Josh Fulton
So some key decisions can be made right at the beginning of a cancer diagnosis. Where are you going to get treatment? So we were talking about the standard of care and how it’s the same just about everywhere, but we went to UNC Chapel Hill and we thought it would basically be the same as Duke. So like Chapel Hill and Duke are near each other. But the reality was that Duke had a lot better clinical trials than Chapel Hill did. So I made a point in the book to go to the most prestigious oncology center around because they’re probably going to have the best clinical trials. And I lay out a method for researching clinical trials in the book, such as looking at websites like OncLive for your cancer type. that will tell you what’s progressing through the clinical trial process. I make a point to get an MD or a DO, conventional medical oncology, and also someone who believes in integrative oncology. That’s kind of the foundation of the book. another part would be to get your tumor sequenced. I list several different companies in the book that allow for tumor sequencing. So perhaps you have a genetic mutation, such as a BRAF mutation in melanoma that would allow for a specific type of cancer treatment. There’s a variation on that, which is a chemosensitivity assay where they basically take your tumor sample and then they create tumors and mice, and then they test different chemotherapeutic agents against those mice. it’s remarkably successful. So I just lay out a kind of a common sense pathway for people to travel once they’ve been diagnosed.

Robin Daly
All right, so this is early decisions and great. Obviously, people get their hands on your book at that point has unfortunately too many people already got quite a way down the road before they start looking outside the box. But let’s hope the title of your book inspires people to pick it up at the beginning. So in the next section of your book, super important, the next chapter, I can completely understand why you position it where you have as being like the first and the most immediate resource to start helping yourself back to health. Would you just tell us a bit of what you’ve got in this large and resource filled chapter five diet and exercise?

Josh Fulton
a lot. I kind of break down what’s feeding cancer in our diet. Well, the first study that I quote, and there are over 2,000 references in this book with a strong emphasis on human studies, the first study that I quote is one by this guy, Dean Ornish, in California. It was faced to a placebo-controlled trial with people in prostate cancer. One of the groups had vegan nutrition, they exercised, and then they were in a social group, so kind of like the normal healthy things that were all encouraged to do as human beings, except for when we have cancer for some reason. But his study showed that these people with prostate cancer who did these kind of common sense, healthy things had better outcomes than people who didn’t. that kind of lays the groundwork for proving that there’s merit to these undertakings. So basically, I encourage people to stay away from sugar, glutamine, which is in a lot of meats, and methathionine. methathionine is kind of like under the radar, a lot of people don’t know about it, but it’s actually really well tested. It’s basically healthy tissue. Methathionine is an amino acid that healthy tissue can make from histamine, but cancerous tissue can’t make. So if you deplete methathionine in your diet, it’s been shown in human studies to improve survival of things. So I talk about that. I talk about that a lot of people don’t talk about it. It’s kind of like the myth of cook yourself out of cancer. Have you seen these cookbooks and like, hey, just have berries and then you won’t have cancer or anything like that? I’m sorry, but the evidence doesn’t support that. So I talked about calorie restriction. That’s human tested. I talk about the keto diet and the different types of the keto diet. So my wife tried a keto diet and she was eating a lot of meat and it didn’t work well. I’m not sure why that would be because maybe there’s so much glutamine in the meat, maybe because it activates mTOR too much. But there must be at least a dozen human studies from our quote, the efficacy of the keto diet, high fat four to one keto diet against cancer, including like numerous brain cancer examples. the last part of that chapter is about exercise. So you probably don’t want to do like too much heavy lifting or anything, especially if your bones are brittle or whatever from like cancer treatment, but there are plenty of animal studies that show the efficacy of exercise during cancer treatment. there’s some human studies. It’s not as well studied in humans because I think they don’t really want to be as vigorous as they need to be for exercise studies in humans. But yeah, that’s kind of the foundation of that chapter, like healthy eating, what is healthy eating, how to implement the ketogenic diet. I also talk about exogenous ketones, which is an exciting thing. We talk about ketosis, but they’ve developed ways to get ketones exogenously and they’re showing positive results. And I talk about exercise.

Robin Daly
for people who don’t know, so the ketones are what you’re generating when you’re on a ketogenic diet, but exogenous ketone to something you can take in addition. So it’s an addition to the situation which has been developed recently. So George, I thought this might be a good moment to mention that throughout the book you’ve got lots of scientific references for all the information that you share. There’s plenty in there for the evidence hungry to get their teeth into, along with lashings of charts and photographs and other means to underline and illustrate the text. do you want to just say a bit about your aim in the approach you took to evidence?

Josh Fulton
I had to prioritize human studies because there are plenty of times when you see like a cell line study. So in I think my next chapter about supplements, I talk about something called popular not proven. there are some supplements such as quercetin, which are very popular in the integrative anti-cancer movement. But that’s because of cell line studies, it’s not necessarily going to get to the level that it needs to be in your blood to have an effect. I quote, an actual human study with like intravenous quercetin that didn’t have a great effect. I’ve read some books that I like, but they don’t talk about human studies. There are many things like in the supplement chapter and in the drug chapter that could have been included if I wanted to, if I wanted to speculate. But I only feel comfortable if something has human evidence behind it. As far as the charts are concerned, I did that because that’s how we learn that everyone loves to look at charts. Everyone likes to see a picture. You see a person where like I tell you about a person with basal cell carcinoma on their head. I would imagine you saw that picture in the ozone chapter. It’s a totally different thing to see the person with the basal cell carcinoma on their head that was like enormous and going to kill them if it wasn’t treated versus me just saying it. So I think that’s one thing that makes my book different than other books is because you really don’t see those charts in other books. But those papers are available through a Creative Commons license where you’re able to take the information as long as you modify it. SoI had a graphic designer redesign the information so that I was able to publish it without having to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to the copyright holders. if you go through my book, you’re going to see a picture every two or three pages because that’s how we like to learn. It’s my opinion.

Robin Daly
But it also it represents an enormous amount of time and effort on your part. How long have you spent researching this book?

Josh Fulton
Everyone says that to me because it’s over 500 pages. If I included the bibliography, it would be over 700 pages. But I went to grad school for writing and I like writing. It only took me about eight months. Wow. So I just devoted myself to it. You must have done. Tijuana, when everyone else was like, where are we going to do? All the spouses are just sitting around. So I started writing the book in Tijuana.

Josh Fulton
Honestly, Robin, it helped distract me. my wife had passed away and you have to find something to fill your time. it was a labor of love to be involved with this and hopefully continue to be involved with the integrative cancer movement in America. As I mentioned, the book is my dream to one day start an integrative clinic, ideally in America, because that’s where I live, but, you know, anywhere.

Robin Daly
you’ve got a couple of chapters you’ve referred to coming up now, which are like supplements, repurposed drugs, big areas that everybody sort of these days tend to certainly look in the supplements department, but increasingly also in the repurposed drugs, it’s really becoming a well-known arena to look for extra help. So what do you think you’re able to bring to the table here? What have you added to the title?

Josh Fulton
There are some repurposed drugs that really aren’t mentioned very much, like azoxamir bromide, that’s used largely in Russia. It’s an immune modulating drug, but it’s used in just about every vaccine in Russia. So hundreds of millions of people have used it before. So a couple other things like decoral, which is an oral cholera vaccine that’s available over the counter in Canada. I actually had a friend who I heard about it from a DO in America, and he was working with my friend and he was like, all right, you just got to go get it in Canada. There is a lot of evidence for that. Talk about low-dose interferon. There’s a whole book about low-dose interferon called The Case for Interferon that was really, really powerful. That’s probably bigger in the UK than it is in America. the reason I found out about that is because some UK doctor had been prescribing it, in case people don’t know, it’s brain penetrant and has a lot of positive evidence against brain tumors. When someone develops brain tumors, it’s just bad news and the conventional oncology establishment doesn’t have drugs section. I would say a good three to five of them aren’t really well known. Very evidence-backed. And in the supplement section, I kind of weed, there’s maybe, I don’t know how many there are, it’s between 15 and 20, but I weed through a lot of things that aren’t supported by human studies. That’s kind of like the main thing that people can draw from that one. It’s like, oh, I’ve heard about green tea extract. I’ve heard about quercetin, yet do the human studies truly support using those as supplements? So I weed through a lot and I focus every single one of those things. I give a million human studies and meta-analyses for mushrooms, like the different types of melatonin. I was so sorry that you guys in the UK don’t have melatonin over the counter. Like high dose melatonin is so powerful. I’m not even quoting studies in those topics, I’m quoting meta-analyses. So studies of studies. if you read through that supplement chapter, you’re going to see human studies for every single thing that I list.

Robin Daly
for people who want to see some evidence behind what they’re going to sink their money, effort and faith into, you’ve done them a service by prioritizing what’s out there into the things which are known to help in human studies. Y that’s really helpful.

Josh Fulton
at the end, you were probably gonna get that, but it kind of dovetails nicely here. How to spend your money, if you only have a hundred dollars, like, what can you do? Because there are only people like that, and I do prioritize what’s the biggest bang for your buck.

Robin Daly
That’s a very important question.

Josh Fulton
I mean in America would be like melatonin eat a bunch of mushrooms, you know that will cost you like $20

Robin Daly
All right, so moving on, you go on to cover a whole raft of important integrative medicine approaches, some of them entirely expected, like, you know, IV vitamin C, hypothermia, oxygen, all that kind of thing, out of isolation, but some may be less so, hydrogen, deuterium depletion. What is the reason you included those?

Josh Fulton
because you need anything and everything to fight this horrible disease. Anything that can give you an advantage, I think is worth it. plus it’s available over the counter. So for hydrogen, there is a human study of hydrogen as a monotherapy resolving brain tumors. I mean, how much powerful can you get? I even, I think I put the MRI images on there. So, I mean, how does hydrogen do it? Well, you just inhale the hydrogen. You need three liters of hydrogen per minute, I believe is the standard as what’s used in those studies. And they just inhaled it. Good. But there are other ways to get hydrogen into your body, such as through a hydrogen water machine or there are hydrogen pills from Recola and other companies. So it’s very actionable. they’re so, I mean, yeah, they’re doing it out of China. The amazing thing is so many, it’s like they have different oncology systems in different parts of the world. Yes. You’ll go to Asia and you’ll see hydrogen left and right over there. You’ll see people using electricity and cancer treatment, which they actually developed in Europe and I think out of Sweden. then they just don’t follow it up in Europe or, well, I guess you guys use it more than us, but then they take it over to China and Japan and they’re using it left and right. So they’re using hydrogen all over the place in China. I had a hydrogen machine brought to me. like I said, Katrina was doing great when she had it. Deuterium, like deuterium depleted water. there are thousands of mitochondria in each cell and they produce thousands of ATP molecules per minute. they need, if they have deuterium, which is like an isotope of hydrogen, it just has to reaction time. Soas I’m sure you know, and you’ve probably had on your show like million times, many people think mitochondrial dysfunction is a root cause of cancer. by eliminating the deuterium, you improve ATP function, which by the way is largely how melatonin works as well. There are so many studies out of Hungary about deuterium depletion. So like the waters might get muddied a little bit because the scientists who developed like deuterium depletion also commercialized it. he’s like selling this water. But they’ve done, like it’s not just him. There’s plenty of cell line studies and animal studies where they put cancer in like a bath of deuterium depleted water versus in deuterium heavy water, which is kind of what we drink now. And it grows way faster in the normal deuterium water. those are things, like the total costs of that would not be much. Like to get a hydrogen making water machine would cost about a hundred dollars. to get the deuterium depleted water, I don’t know, like 150 for three gallons or something.

Robin Daly
But if you have the money, so it’s a low budget approach. Okay, useful. So you go and you focus on kind of what you might call the more controversial, conventional therapies like chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Not everybody thinks they’re a good idea, but you discuss in refreshingly balanced way the fore and against the use and how they can be used. You know, all the options that are out there. So it’s very nice to see you just considering what actually really works here. There’s no shortage of information advice concerning these therapies coming our way, as we get to the psychology anyway. So what do you think you’ve managed to add to the picture?

Josh Fulton
Well, it is balanced. Like you said, I don’t say, oh, never use chemotherapy. Never do radiation. And I talk about it because I’m not a medical professional and I don’t know people’s unique circumstances. I do kind of make the case that a lot of times low dose chemotherapy, although not always, is about as effective as high dose. I think that’s part of a discussion that a patient can have with their oncologist. There are things like Amy Faustine that is the only antioxidant approved for radiation treatment by the FDA. And it’s been shown to greatly lessen side effects while probably slightly improving survival outcomes. And people are just like, what are you talking about? There’s an antioxidant that’s approved for radiation. Well, yes, there is, but it’s never mentioned. Radiation is far behind medical oncology, if you ask me, in terms of testing what’s synergistic with what. They just don’t allow you to do anything with radiation. They say don’t take, don’t even have turmeric. I quote that the only studies that I’ve seen that have tested curcumin, which is from turmeric, and radiation concurrently has favored curcumin. I also, I quote a study about arginine. So there was a study out of Cornell a couple of years ago where this is crazy, but I forget how many people it was. It was like 40 people, something like that. It was some decent sized number of people. Half of them took 10 grams of arginine like an hour before the radiation. It was whole brain radiation. They had a bunch of rain tumors and half of them didn’t. What the arginine did, the nitric oxide is going to be radio sensitizer. It’s also going to vasodilate so that more blood can, more white blood cells can get to the tumor and kill it. The group that had this 10 grams of arginine, which literally cost like 50 cents, had a way higher survival advantage than the other group, like at least double. I forget exactly what the numbers were on that study, but it’s my… So what I try to do because I’m not against chemotherapy or radiation in particular, especially low dose radiation, I think that low dose radiation could be used as an immune stimulant if it’s used as part of a more integrative approach towards oncology. My goal in the chemotherapy and radiation chapters is to make it more effective. Who might say don’t do radiation? If my wife didn’t have radiation to her brain, those tumors would have just gobbled up her brain, squeezed her brain into the side of her skull and killed her. I think sometimes radiation is actually under use. I give an example of talking to a radiation oncologist about the tumors in Katrina’s liver, which is where she was first diagnosed. I said, do you guys ever radiate these? He’s like, oh yeah, all the time. I’m just thinking in my head, well, then why did we do it at the very beginning? Why did we do radiation with the medical oncology treatment that she was getting at the time? So radiation has a big mystery to me.

Robin Daly
you talk about the removal of cancerous tissue through surgery, through ablation, and you cover immune checkpoint inhibitor drugs, chronomodulation, the use of drugs at particular times, and a chapter on devices, so we don’t have to race over these, but there’s a substantial overview of promising therapies beyond standard of care, many of which you give considerable attention to, such as PDT, photodynamic therapy, and all the variants that are emerging of PDT. It’s always been a fascinating area for me. Why did you give so much attention to PDT, for example?

Josh Fulton
Of all the topics that are in the book, I’m glad that you focused on that one because I think it is the most promising. People talk about the main pillars of oncology, surgery, radiation, chemotherapy and now immunotherapy. There needs to be a fifth pillar of oncology treatment, photodynamic therapy and or sono-photodynamic therapy. There are dozens and dozens of trials showing the efficacy of photodynamic therapy. What is photodynamic therapy? There are photosensicizers that when they are hit with a certain wavelength of light, they give off reactive oxygen species and that is how most cancer is killed. It is very gentle on the healthy tissue. The history of this, it goes all the way back to 1900s and then due to World War I and World War II, it was left on the back burner only to be rediscovered in the late 1960s, mid-1970s by a guy in New York who had worked in industry in photography. I forget what it was, it was something like that, I forget the guy’s name. Basically they stained, so like methylene blue is like a common staining agent in cancer to differentiate healthy tissue from cancerous tissue. They’re staining these tissues with these dyes and then they expose everything to light and they find that the cancerous tissue dies. This guy, I really wish I could give him credit, but he’s standing on the shoulders of giants as well because this was done in Germany by a guy named R.A.A.B. in the early 1900s. This guy out in New York, he has a common sense of bravery to start testing this in humans. He gives a photosensitizer and it starts working. I think he starts with skin cancer, he puts it on the skin cancer and starts dissolving like really easily. The reason that I mentioned this and I spent so much time about this in the book is because it’s actually practically achievable with someone, even if they want to do it by themselves. Obviously I want someone to confer with a medical professional, but a lot of things like methylene blue, for instance, is available commercially and it is stronger than the photosensitizer portfarin, which is derived from blood, that is commonly used nowadays. Again, in America, we’re so far behind the times. In Japan, they’re using dozens of types of photosensitizers. We’re only using a couple. You read the chapter, so you saw the studies that of course

Robin Daly
Absolutely. I’ve long been driven mad by the fact that over years there’s been good evidence for PDT and it’s basically worked on anything they’ve tried it on pretty much and but there was no takeout for it and largely because it was too left field I think and it was too cheap. It’s actually now got so cheap that it’s really not of interest but you know the leading expert in this world countries where they want some cheap cancer treatment that works and you know you can set them up a clinic for a few thousand pounds and people are treated for 200 pounds a go and that’s cancer treatment and of course it’s repeatable you can have it done as many times as you need to to do the job it’s largely non-toxic you know it’s just like yes please. It’s very frustrating to have such a great treatment absolutely sidelined by an industry that’s not built up to deliver that doing another job but sorry we’re doing other things we don’t do that and yeah very frustrating.

Josh Fulton
I don’t know of anything that’s more effective more gentle except for maybe hyperthermia, but that’s probably not as effective Cheaper so You know esophageal cancer is you know pretty lethal cancer and one of the few conditions that PdT is approved for in America is Barris esophagus, which isn’t really more of a esophageal cancer and you could probably get it if you have You know a more advanced esophageal cancer if you really push for it I show this picture which is why pictures are so important in the book of someone with an esophageal tumor and then they basically You know, they get it they inject the photo sensitizer Maybe they ingest the photo sensitizer, you know certain things like methylene blue actually have good bioavailability that’s why like you could ingest methylene blue and you know, it would be in your bloodstream in any case they stick a red light down this guy’s throat and he’s cured of of his esophageal cancer It’s crazy.

Robin Daly
We’re just about out of time, say a quick word about why you got a chapter right near the end of the book called White Coat Syndrome.

Josh Fulton
it’s about kind of the dehumanization that the cancer patient and the family of the cancer patient go through during this process. You are turned into a piece of meat. You’re turned into something on a conveyor belt. You’re no longer a human. When you go through the hospital, they always say, what’s your birth date or whatever. you’re always citing off these numbers. It’s like you become a number rather than a person. with all due respect to oncologists, there are plenty of studies that have shown oncologists burnout, including a good chunk of them. It was about 25% in this survey that were suffering from depersonalization, meaning viewing people as less than human. If we had the courage to pursue these and to actually look at books like mine and to read PubMed at the very beginning, Katrina might be here today. The White Coat Syndrome is basically about oncologists being robots and just doing this standard of care, even though it varies from country to country. I make that point several times. In America, we think that we’re the best at everything. We have M.D. Anderson. Every first world, quote unquote, country thinks that you’re the best. then you look at the actual survival rates. It’s not true. I just point out the obvious fallacy that we can’t be the best if other countries are doing better than us in different cancer types. America is doing okay in several cancer types and worse than some. We can’t be the best if we’re not the leader in survival outcomes. What do we have to learn? it’s just kind of the fear of the white coat. You’re parking next to someone, they’re just a normal person, and then they put on the white coat and suddenly they’re an intellectual.

Robin Daly
very important chapter. Right, going to have to leave it there Josh, it’s been really interesting to talk about your book. Thanks so much for telling us all about it and I think it’s a great new resource for people with cancer. I hope lots of people get to see it really early, as I said, when I think it will help most right at the beginning. I’m sure that’s what you got in mind for it as well, so thank you very much.

Josh Fulton
Thank you for having me. Bye bye. Nice meeting you.

Robin Daly
Josh has created a valuable resource in his book Cancer Self-Defense 101 through his diligence in research and is my hope that many of you find it helpful in your decision making. One of the toughest aspects of cancer treatment and particularly of taking an intuitive approach. His website if you want to see more is CancerSelfDefense101.com. Thanks very much for listening today. Next week we’ll be hard up against Christmas. I hope you’ll make the time to join me nonetheless for the Yes To Life show . Goodbye.