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Robin Daly
Hello and welcome to the Yes to Life show on UK Health Radio. I’m Robin Daly, host for the show since it began nearly eight years ago and also founder of the UK charity YestoLife, helping people with cancer to learn about and access integrative medicine to help them recover their health and wellbeing in the broadest sense. Today I’m going to be exploring the role that faith can play in someone’s recovery and I’m doing that by talking to Anthony Malpato Someone who has a deep religious conviction and attributes his extraordinary recovery to that. I’m speaking to Anthony over the internet. Hi Anthony, many thanks for coming on the Yes to Life show today.

Anthony Malpas
Thank you. It’s a pleasure.

Robin Daly
So, despite being on the air for almost eight years, I still find myself talking about subjects for the first time. Such is the nature of integrative medicine. It’s broad and continually getting broader. A broad church might be in that description given today’s topic, which is faith. Of course, as a subject, it’s come up time and time again over the years, but I’ve never devoted an entire show to it. I’m very pleased to do so now, as it is an important topic that deserves attention.

Robin Daly
So, yours is a position of faith within a religious context, but I want to take this opportunity to explore faith in this broader sense, as for someone with cancer, it could be directed in all sorts of different ways, from religious faith such as yours, to faith in life, faith in the treatment you’re receiving, faith in science, faith in doctors delivering your treatment, all sorts of places. So, to get us started, what would you say is your definition of faith?

Anthony Malpas
And faith is seeing things that don’t exist in the natural realm, and understanding things, from a Christian point of view, understanding spiritual truths which are explained to us through the Bible, and trusting in those truths rather than what we can necessarily see and experience in the natural realm. So, it’s a question of understanding what the Bible is teaching and believing in that, even though the circumstances are understood, seem to add up to what the truth of what the Bible is saying. So, I would say there’s a difference between the truths of what the Bible says, and the facts which are the experiences that we have of life, and it’s the relationship between those two things that is faith.

Robin Daly
Oh, interesting. So, I suppose in that, this is what might be described as the thing that can carry you through circumstances which appear to be impossible or very difficult or whatever because you’ve got a view of something that is bigger than that and you rely on.

Anthony Malpas
Exactly. I mean, that was very much my situation. I mean, I had an almost impossible superiority naturally, but I was able to face that with a lot of peace in my heart, because of my faith that the truth was, but in fact, I was already healed. That’s what the Bible teaches. And so I believe in that by faith, even though I’m not experiencing it, but you know, I’m traveling to hospital in an ambulance when I got all these things happening. Often, faith seems to be almost totally contrary to what is happening in your life. But that’s what faith is.

Robin Daly
Okay. So, I pointed this out when we were introduced, I’m not someone who has a religious faith myself, although I would say I’ve got a strong faith in life in its positive affirmative direction. My own experience of life and the experiences that many people have shared with me here on the show and elsewhere throughout my work with Yes to Life lead me to acknowledge the central role that faith can play, not only in getting you through a really difficult time, but in the outcome as well. Now, you’ve written about your experiences in a book called Cancer with Christ, and as part of today’s exploration, I wonder if you’d share the broad outline of your story, starting from the background that you grew up in, in your overall experience of life, and then the role that faith has played throughout that.

Anthony Malpas
Yes, in the book I give a bit of background to the way I was brought up. I was brought up in a very strict Christian family. We belong to a denomination which was called The Brethren, which is a very strict denomination, but it was one that taught me to read and understand the Bible from a very young age. We left that when I was 15, but I think it had a very big impact on my life, and it meant that I had a very strong grounding in the Christian faith, even if it was what I would call rather legalistic in that we were supposed to behave in a certain way. And I think I used to have a slightly awesome view of God as being someone who could be quite judgmental if we went off tracks. I think that had quite an impact on my life, actually, because I had been brought up to think that if things weren’t wrong, then God was not pleased with me. And later on in life, I found that that wasn’t actually the truth, that’s all the fact. But quite often in churches, people have a rather difficult view of God as not being really loving and caring in wanting to see us, for example, when you get ill, to want to see us healed. So that was my sort of upbringing. I’m not saying that we had a bad upbringing at all, it was great. We lived on the south coast of England, in the Great Holidays, everything. We had lots of friends, but they were all within the church movement that we were part of. I was married, we had a nice house out in the country in Dorset, three wonderful children. So I got three children, one’s a doctor, one’s a lawyer, and the other has a film company. So they lived very well, and they’ve got seven grandchildren. So the last person was good, we had a good life. My wife was a doctor, came from Dublin, and we had a very good family life. One of my problems was I was quite entrepreneurial. And I took risks, well, actually. And some of those risks worked very well, were very successful. And some of them weren’t so successful. And I remember I ended up tending to borrow money quite a lot. And this was a mistake in my life, and it caused some tension with my wife, unfortunately, although we overcame that most of the time until I got into some financial liberty and ended up earning the net revenue by a little money. And that was a thing that actually moved us apart, which was very sad, actually, because we’d had a good marriage. And so I was divorced. And that was a terrible thing for me, because I hadn’t been brought up to know that it really believed that marriage is such an important part of life. And generally, I think, and having had a very happy marriage experience. That was a big blow to me. And I find it quite hard to recover from that. Eventually, I married again, and had another son. I’ve got an 18-year-old son, a man, even though I’m so divine. He accepts rather well. He’s great. But basically, now I’ve got that. I’m not married to her anymore, but I have two rather lovely families. And one of the things that affected me very much was when I, the second time, I got myself into financial problems again.

Anthony Malpas
I had to ask the question, how is it that somebody who believes in the Bible loves Jesus and follows him in all his heart and could get into such a mess, basically, and mainly through financial problems, probably from wanting to make too much money and not following the right way. And of course, with my original upbringing, that made me feel quite guilty. I said, right, I’m going to go right back to first principles. I’m going to find out from the Bible, from my experience with God, why it is that I’m not succeeding as a Christian in being, you know, I mean, I’m not saying I didn’t speak at all. I had a lot of good things about my life, but there are these areas that went wrong, basically, even though I had faith and I thought, why does faith stop working? What’s wrong? And so, I started praying about it, and I started reading the Bible and listening to what other people had to say about it. And there was something which I turned on television and heard somebody speaking once, and this was a very interesting and interesting moment because he said something which really hit me, and I didn’t, I hadn’t understood this before. He said, it’s not how you look at yourself that matters. It’s not how other people look at you that matters. What matters is how God looks at you. And that was a really important change for me. I can’t say that it happened immediately, but I began to really try to find out how it is that God looks at us, and how God looks at me in particular for my life. And the Bible set that out quite well. And I think, first of all, I found that God really loves us and really cares about us. And God wants us to have a good life. Jesus said that I came that you might have life and have it abundantly. You might have life in its fullest measure. And I wasn’t having life in its fullest measure, and yet that’s what God wanted me to have. I discovered that God wants me to be blessed. He wants me to have enough money, but not to try to make money. And you’re also money from a worldly body, being as you like. And from the point of view, just from a selfish point of view. But He doesn’t want us to have enough. He wants us to allow them to give to others. I found that He wants us to be healthy. He wants us to be happy in our marriage and in our relationship with other people. And I began to find that He wants to bless us. He has favor on us and that He has favor on our lives. And so I started to see my life in a different way completely. And I finished a business. I got out of business, and I started to work in Aldalal with the state, which is in South England, a big holiday estate. And I just started as a car park attendant, which was an experiment, actually. They got a lot of the car parks, looking at Portland. And I suddenly enjoyed doing that. I ended up as a manager of this state. And I found that a simple light, trusting in God, reading the Bible, not trying to be anything too too great, not flying around the world, trying to have meetings and do all sorts of things I used to do.

Anthony Malpas
And I found that, as I began to really trust in a loving, caring God, who really does care for us. And as I started to read the Bible more regularly and to live, I probably acquired a life. I found that I became very, very happy, very, very, very much a piece in my life. And relationships started to, to work out much better. I mean, I’ve got two ex-wives and I get all extremely well with both of them. And with my children and my children are amazing. I’ve just been on a holiday musical with my ex-wife and all my three older children, which was amazing. We had a great time together. And I feel very much at peace. I feel that I’ve discovered what it is to have a really living relationship with God through His Son Christ. And it’s wonderful. But then into this, suddenly, at the beginning of last year, I came to this illness. And I have believed, for a long time now, that God heals. And it’s His will for us to be healed. I mean, the Bible tells us quite clearly, Jesus, for our diseases, by His wounds, we were healed. He heals all our diseases. It’s again and again and again, we find that it is God’s will for us to be healed. There was never a situation in the Bible where somebody came to Jesus last to believe that He didn’t heal them. And so by believing in God, you have to believe in healing, really. It’s inherent in the teaching of the Bible. And there are many churches that believe that. Not every church does, but many churches do, and I happen to belong to a church that believes that, which is tremendous. But that’s what I believed. But suddenly, I was faced with a situation where that was booklets’ hest in quite a dramatic way. Do you want me to give you a little background on that?

Robin Daly
Well, yeah. I mean, you know, cancer seldom a welcome visitor and it never fits our plans for our lives. So, yeah, I’d really like to hear what it was like to actually receive the diagnosis.

Anthony Malpas
Yeah. But what happened was Boxing Day, the year before last, that was 2021. We’d been to my elder son’s house for Christmas. All of my family had been there. We’d had a wonderful Christmas day. I had been working right up to Christmas. Everything seemed to be fine. On Boxing Day morning, I suddenly found I had a pain in my right knee. It was really quite painful. And I was sort of hobbling around. So I came down to breakfast and my salted wife, who are both doctors, were concerned to see, hobbling around like that. And I said, well, look, I had some arthritis in this two or three years ago. And I think the arthritis must have come back. So I made an appointment to see a GP. I went to see him during the COVID time. But I got on the appointment within about four days, I think. And the GP that I think was a medical assistant, actually, I saw said, oh, yes, it must be the arthritis coming back. He had an x-ray down two years ago, see the arthritis. We’ll get you an injection that I hobbled off. And nothing happened for a time. So after about a week or so, I phoned the surgery and they said, yes, we’ll get a unit appointment in February. I went to see the doctor on January 4, which is quite a long time to wait for an injection for arthritis. But so I went back to work and I was hobbling around. And later on in the month, my left knee started to pain, the same pain. And of course, that really quite did with the wall, because it was quite painful. It was usually a stick. But I still wouldn’t realize, oh, the arthritis must have come to my left leg. And my son had his birthday party already at the end of January. And I went there. And he was there, he had been very concerned, obviously, because I was really walking very slowly and finding it very difficult to walk. And he had a look at my knees and pressed them and said, that’s all arthritis. That’s, you don’t get pain there from arthritis. You better go and see your GP again. So I went back to GP hobbling around and leaning on my stick. In fact, as I went, now the corridor to the GP’s office that stick broke. But she went into a lot of detail, asked me a lot of questions. And I had a lump on my left arm, which had been there for some time. And I hadn’t really thought very much about it. I thought I’d mention it to her. And I’ll hear you a bit sore in my mouth too. And so she sent me to Swanage College Hospital to have a scandal on the arm and to get some x-rays on the beach. By this time, I was needing to use a wheelchair to get a run. And when they did the scandal on the arm, they immediately saw there was something wrong there. And so the GP, we were back to the GP and he referred me to oncology. But that was when I sort of first realized that I was very seriously wrong. Also, there was a love coming in the mouth and my teeth were being crushed out. And so, you know, a week went by and I got a message from on the religious app saying that I could have an appointment on the 16th of March, I think it was.

Anthony Malpas
So, you know, time was moving on stage. And so the next week my son decided to take some action and he put me in his car and took me to all hospital to the outpatients, to A&E. And they did an x-ray, my legs. And the doctor on duty at least said I needed to come in immediately to hospital. It was a tear in both legs had broken. At this stage they didn’t know why it had broken, they had broken, but clearly two broken legs and I needed treatment. So the art was involved for A&E and basically it took more evening to get me to bed at Fullham Hospital. And about midnight they put me in an ambulance and took me to Fullham Hospital where I was admitted. And I think it was there, it was on the way in the ambulance around midnight, but I realised that there was something seriously wrong with me. And I think my son and my ex-wife who was a GP both saw it was possibly around midnight, but certainly a pretty serious cancer. I think they were very concerned that it was not going to be treatable. And so here I was, I had my faith, I had never been in hospital before, I’d never spent a night in hospital in my life. And it was quite a challenge.

Robin Daly
Tell us about that in particular, you know, that’s obviously what we’re focusing in on today. Yeah, just what process you went through in dealing with this very serious diagnosis potentially and your your faith that you’d kind of had come to you in later life as obviously a bit of a saving for you and and what that was like.

Anthony Malpas
Well, as I’ve said, Laurie, I see that what the Bible says is the truth, and if we rely on what the Bible says, then that is active faith. The Apostle Paul, who was a writer of quite a lot of the New Testament, wrote a letter to the Philippians, that was the church in Philippi. And in that letter, he says something which I found a tremendous help. He said, do not worry about anything. Now, I was in a situation where worry was beginning to sort of bubble up. And I think that’s the case with a lot of people who have discovered that they’ve got cancer.

Anthony Malpas
And yet, the Bible is telling me not to worry. It says, do not worry about anything, but in every situation, your prayers, Almighty God, your prayers and your petitions, petitions aren’t specific prayers for specific things, with thanksgiving and the peace of God, who fill your mark, peace that is beyond understanding. And that came to me very, very strongly when I was in the ambulance. It was bouncing along about midnight and it was cold, but I really felt that the God was saying to me, you don’t have to worry about this. You do not have to worry. And I said, I said, I’m proud of him. I said, Lord, I’m not going to worry about this. I make a decision now that whatever happens, I’m not going to worry. I trust you. I believe he has already healed me. I believe that there’s a process that I’m going to have to go through. And what I want to do is to find out how that process can lead me to complete healing. And I said, Lord, I’m not going to worry.

Robin Daly
Can I ask you a question? how do you decide not to worry?

Anthony Malpas
Because I believe the Bible. I believe the Bible is God’s word to us.

Robin Daly
why you might want to make the decision, but practically, worry comes along with you, whatever you decide, doesn’t it?

Anthony Malpas
Yeah, that’s why you have to keep going back to what the Bible teaches, and you go back to prayer, and talking to God, and talking to Jesus, is a very natural thing. I mean, you know, I talk to him the same way I talk to you. I mean, I talk to him every day, and he is part, I mean, on my own, on my flat here, and I see, I believe Jesus is with me all the time. And I talk to him about things that I need, I talk to him about things that I have, and through that relationship with him, worry becomes his problem, not mine. It says, you know, pray, and a peace that passes understanding. And it is a peace about an understanding. You can’t understand how you could be completely at peace in a situation like this. And yet I was, I mean, I was, from that moment on, I didn’t have any really strong worry about cancer and what was going to happen. He, quite often, the doctors would say, you know, we’re worried about this, we’re worried that you’ve got double hip lymphoma. And, you know, there’s the time that it takes for them to to get the diagnosis. And, and that’s a worrying time.

Robin Daly
You didn’t know many people suffer from that. I’m mad. Yeah. Yeah

Anthony Malpas
But you see, faith is not a one-way thing. Faith is a two-way thing. And when you have faith in God, He gives you strength and power. Even just initially coming to know Him is an act of faith, but He responds. When we say, all I believe in you, He responds to us. He’s a being, He’s a character, He’s someone to talk to. And so, I think that the peace that I had was not a natural, understandable peace. It was a peace that’s beyond understanding, as the epistle puts it. And I think a lot of people who are Christians have that experience, because we trust in Jesus that He is going to heal us. And I like it by trusting Him that, Lord, You’re going to heal me. I’m going to come out of this.

Robin Daly
Okay. So I want to hear about what happened, but there’s a lot of things I want to ask you more about faith and various associated things that you’re now going to sum up a big journey, okay, from where you were there on that night, the ambulance, to where you are today in health terms. Could you just tell us that, you know, as briefly as is reasonable?

Anthony Malpas
I went through a period of diagnosis, basically, and the diagnosis eventually came back and said that I had stage 4 cancer with what they call a double-hit lymphoma, which is pretty serious lymphoma, and the chances of survival of that are much lower if you have a double hit. And that’s on the other hand, they did decide that it was treatable, and they were able to give me chemotherapy, which my son said he thought that was a miracle in itself.

Robin Daly
Well, it’s very surprising, they often talk about stage 4 patients as being treatable in any way.

Anthony Malpas
Yeah. And so it was, and it was clearly moving faster. I mean, when they, when they did the scans, they could see that, you know, I don’t know, my mouth, you see the various different parts of my body. So they could get little bits out of my body and analyze them. And so we went through all that. And then they said, right, we’re going to start chemotherapy. I was not at all sure that I wanted to go through chemotherapy. And I had a bit of a challenge to decide, am I going to just trust in God? Or do I go through chemotherapy? And we had a conference with my ex-wife and my two of my children. And that’s when my son said he felt it was a miracle that I was, that they actually had a treat, which was one of the things that made me decide, yes, well, that, you know, I understand that. That’s great. And it was, you know, a lot of people say chemotherapy is poisonous. There are other ways of doing things, natural ways. But when you’re in a situation like that, you call, people will say, right, well, I’m going to put things on hold, and I’m going to see if there’s another way of doing it. So, and I do believe that even though I know, be faith in God, that He uses, you know, the doctors, the medical systems, I don’t know, by the end, that there’s a burst of the Bible says, all, every good and perfect gift comes from God. And so, so I say, well, in this case, chemotherapy is a good gift. And let’s get on with it. So, I started chemotherapy on a, I think it was on Monday morning, we put it up, put up the drips. And I didn’t react very badly to it. In fact, in some ways, I, you know, I can’t say I enjoyed being in hospital, but like, there was very good things about it. I mean, the nurses were great, the people I met were really nice, you know, it was, it wasn’t a really bad experience, as well, such concern. But, you know, pain, they don’t, the pain is old. But so, I just, the chemotherapy started. And the remarkable thing was that within a week, the lung for bile had gone down and then got softer. And within two weeks before the second chemotherapy started, there was no sign of any lumps or that they are sight lumps at all. And the doctors were quite surprised, and they were very pleased about it. But the chemotherapy just seemed to work amazingly. And I had to go through the whole course. But the cancer was, was dead with. And and I, you know, I said, well, thank you, Lord. I believe that some, you know, you’ve appealed me, but you have used these wonderful doctors to do it. And, but I, my legs were still broken. And so I was, I was stuck in bed, I couldn’t get out of bed. And to cut a long story short, six months after, and at hospital, the doctors phoned up. And I waited to see a consultant, Apple and Spittle. And he went through all the x-rays. And said, nook, and you can walk. We can see that on the x-rays. They had said they couldn’t do near replacement, such that they couldn’t do anything with my knees. Just hope that they would get better in the time. But, you know, he was, he was very happy about that.

Robin Daly
Yeah, so obviously, you know, your faith has been completely central to this journey. You’ve sort of started out with the idea that you’re going to be fine. Right. And carried that all the way through. Now, also clearly, there are lots of people who are devoted Christians who have another outcome. Yeah. And, you know, you could have had another outcome. So, let’s just say that had been the case, and this is theoretical, of course, in this case, to say you’d had to meet with the prospects of the chemotherapy not working, or you’d not be able to walk, say. How would you bet that in terms of your faith?

Anthony Malpas
Well, my faith is that I won’t be bad situation gets God is God, and he is able to kneel and if he gets and I was prepared for it to get worse, I thought maybe he will get worse. But I know that that you would heal me. I absolutely believe and trust you to kneel me and that I am that I am in fact already healed. Because yeah, I think that eating is a process. It’s not something that just happens just like that. Jesus thought that faith is like a seed. He described faith as a seed and a seed is obviously something you want to sow. And I see the Bible as being the garden center of your life where you go to buy your seeds and where you go and get your seeds and the seeds are the promises that God makes in the Bible. And so you take these seeds like a seed for adult lives that says in Matthew’s Gospel that Jesus bore diseases. Now, you remember that one of the things that I had discovered was that I shouldn’t be looking at how I look at myself. I should look at how Jesus looks at me, God looks at me. And I said, I remember in the hospital, in a bed that I remember thinking, Lord Jesus, you bore my diseases and you were on the cross. You shed your blood for my sins. You gave your life and you bore my diseases. Your Bible tells me that you bore my diseases and you healed me. Now, I don’t believe that you lie. I believe that you are God and your truth. Therefore, if you bore my diseases, I don’t have to bear it myself. I don’t have to bear it. And therefore, healing must come. It has to come. And so that’s a seed. And I sow that into my heart and I think about it. I say it over and over and I think about it. And there are lots and lots of promises like that in the Bible, which we sow into our hearts. And we sow into hearts that are willing to receive. And as we do that, faith grows. It’s like a seed. You don’t see anything to start with. But then something comes up, something happens, and something more happens. And then you have a little plant and then you have some fruit and the ultimate fruit comes. And I mean, there are some seeds that can come up immediately. I remember being in Israel in the desert, seeing a little seed of God’s finger and he put some water on it. So eating can have an immediate, but it could take a little conic. So I think, in answer to your question, I have a faith that believes that God heals when we trust him and we have to keep on trusting. Perseverance is one of the biggest characteristics for a believer in Christ, that he will eventually be a winner.

Robin Daly
So, many people, I think, share some of what you said there in terms of their faith in the fact that there is a possibility of healing. The thing that is more unusual in what you’re saying is that you see that in physical terms. I think many people that I talk to see it in terms of healing being arriving at a place as you described as being the peace of passeth understanding. I think that’s how you described it. And they call that healing. And it’s an interpretation of the words, wherever they came from in the Bible, that is different. And so, their interpretation would lead them to say, well, actually, I don’t know whether I’m going to come out the other end of this alive or not, but I can be healed anyway. And taking into account that, of course, we’re not all going to live forever anyway. We’re all going to die sometime. We might die of cancer or we might die of something else later on. So, in a way, death is part of the picture already. It’s already sown into our experience. We’re going to die at some point. So, that can’t be a failure in and of itself or a lack of faith either. So, I’m just interested to hear you comment on that.

Anthony Malpas
Yeah, I think what I see from reading the Bible is that God wants us to have a much better life than most of us believe that He wants us to have. Jesus said He wants us to have the best possible life. He also wants us to live a good, long life. He says that with a long life, He satisfies us is one of the things He says in the Psalms. There are several places in the Bible that says that God’s will for us is to have a long life. One of the commandments with promises that if you only your father and mother, you would have a long life. That’s what I promise in one of the commandments. I think, again, looking at Jesus from God’s point of view, I think He wants us to have a good, healthy, long life. We don’t necessarily have to die from illness. We can die just with our times up and we can go. I think we have come to accept illness far too readily. Even in the church, I think there’s an acceptance of illness, which is unnecessary. I really believe that what Jesus wants us to do is to have a good happy life, but also so that we can be valuable to other people, so that we can help others. That’s what God wants us to do. He wants our lives to be a blessing to other people. When we believe and trust in Him, He lives in us. He comes and lives in us. His life threw us. There’s a psalm that says that the death of His people is costly to God. If God loses somebody who is a real believer in Him and is bringing His light and His love into the world, it’s costly to Him when that person dies. He wants us to live. He wants us to live a good, bold life and a healthy life. He wants us to be poor either. He wants our lives to be valuable and useful and productive. He wants us to be fruitful in the things that we do. This is not just an idea that I have. This is what the Bible teaches. Therefore, what I’m doing is I’m putting my faith and trust in what the Bible, which I call the Word of God, in what that says. I believe that healing is always possible. It might take a bit of time, as it did in my case, but it came as I believed it would.

Robin Daly
Well it certainly looks good in your case, that’s why you’ve had a remarkable recovery.

Robin Daly
Yeah, always interesting because the flip side of that is I have met people who of course didn’t have the outcome they were hoping for in the way that you did and lost their fate as a result. And they went to a very dark place as a result. So kind of flip side, if you like, of a strong fate like that. Then the question is, well, how could this beneficent God dole out cancer to someone who’s devoted to them? How could this happen? And this is a difficult thing for people to make sense of within the context of a religious faith.

Anthony Malpas
Yeah, but I, I mean, I don’t believe that God gives out cancer. I don’t believe God ever makes people ill. Um, I mean, when Jesus, we’ve got to look at the life of Jesus and see what happened when he was alive. He didn’t go around being people though. He went around healing people. And, um, I don’t need one moment. It’s, uh, it’s ever God’s will for us to be ill and to have cancer, but he doesn’t give it to us. And I think there’s, I think there’s a lot of, there’s a long lack of knowledge even in the church. And I think it’s very sad what you say. And I, I really, I mean, in fact, it’s one of the reasons I wrote my book. Because I wanted, I want people to see that God actually does care and he does actually want us to be healed. He wants us to be healed, but there’s a process. Um, and there are things that we have to do. I mean, one of the things that I did was, um, the Bible tells us that you, you ask the elders, the leaders in church to come and pray for you and enlighten you with oil. You know, I asked my church to do that. And that somebody called the church and came to me and said, you do that and you will be healed. That’s what the Bible says. And I believe it. And I believe that was an important part of my healing process. And I think we have to find out what the Bible says about it and actually act on what the Bible says. So, um, I think, and, and the reason I wrote a book was to a large extent for people who are Christians who, if you don’t understand the extent which God wants them to be healed, then God is able to heal. And I think a lot of people who are and who are not healed is very sad because they could be healed.

Robin Daly
Okay, and just to come round back to where we started from, I spoke about the fact that faith can be placed in all sorts of places, and to me it clearly has an effect that one has some in something, but from the point from which you’re looking, I think you would say that anybody who doesn’t have faith in the right place, which you would ascribe as the right place, is probably not going to have success. And that would be a question for me, because it seemed, I mean, I’ve met people who have enormous faith in their ability to heal from cancer, and they’ve done remarkable things just like you, but they’re not Christian. So, the common factor for me is the level of their confidence in that. Yeah, would you say something about that?

Anthony Malpas
Yeah, well, I mean, I think a positive attitude and having faith is, I think faith is a spiritual principle that works, and it works in other areas apart from Christianity, but with Christianity, you’re actually putting your faith in a God who is able and has the power to carry out what you’re putting faith in. And therefore, my faith is not just, I hope that it will happen. My faith is a confident expectation that God will do the things that I ask you to do, ultimately. It might take a bit of time. It might take a bit of perseverance. It might, things might get quite bad before they actually come right, but I would never, ever give up hope once in God, because I really believe, but I do want to say, you know, I think people can improve their stationary life by having a very positive attitude and speaking positively. I think those are natural laws, but I think when you put your faith in Christ, then you have power within you, which is beyond anything else in this world.

Robin Daly
Okay, well, it’s interesting, both of you, I’m sure there are plenty of other boys to view that would say something similar about another faith, for example, they’d say, well, exactly the same about another person, another figurehead who inspires the same level of confidence.

Robin Daly
absolutely absolutely right yeah and it’s very interesting your experience i’m pleased thank you very much for sharing it with us i’m really interested to hear about it and i’m very pleased to see the extraordinary results that you’ve achieved i mean quite remarkable and yeah and

Anthony Malpas
anything and feel your questions, which have been very, very good. I appreciate very much.

Robin Daly
Great. So do you want to quickly give listeners details of your book?

Anthony Malpas
Yes, my book is called Answer with Christ, My Journey through the Valley of the Shadow of Death by Anthony Walters. It is available on Amazon. It’s not available on other platforms yet, but you go to Amazon and look for Cancer with Christ, My Journey through the Valley of the Shadow of Death.

Robin Daly
Great. All right. Thank you very much for coming on the show and speaking with me today .

Anthony Malpas
Thank you. I appreciate it very much. Very kind of you. It’s been a good time.

Robin Daly
Well, an extraordinary story and there were many more questions I would have liked to pursue had time permitted. Hopefully that’s given plenty of food for thought though. Thanks very much for listening today. I look forward to bringing you another guest to help me with the exploration of the world of integrative medicine for cancer that we engage in each week here on the Yes to Life show .