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Robin Daly
Hello and welcome to the Yes to Life show on UK Health Radio. I’m Robin Daly, host for the show and founder of Yes to Life, the UK charity that supports people with cancer in learning about and benefiting from integrated medicine, a holistic approach to cancer care that takes in not only the physical aspects of a diagnosis of and treatment for cancer, but also the mental, emotional and spiritual challenges. My guest today is joining me for the first time on the show. Dr Zoe Lloyd Wright was introduced to me recently by Pauline Cox, who has been my guest. Dr Lloyd Wright focuses her attention on nutrition, often working with people with cancer, but with particular interest in mineral deficiencies, which she attributes great importance to as a factor in attaining and maintaining good health. you

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Thank you so much, Robin. It’s a pleasure to be here.

Robin Daly
I’m delighted to have you as my guest. It’s always exciting to be interviewing new people on the show. You featured in our recent annual conference in discussion with the wonderful Pauline Cox. So you may be new to the show, but you’re hardly new to the world of integrated medicine, and in particular nutrition. You’ve had a long and interesting road to get to where you are today. And I wonder if you’d start out by telling us a bit about your journey, starting with the thing that prompted you to make the first step into healthcare.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Absolutely. I started off being as a scientist actually and was for years doing my research with the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and then I met an extraordinary naturopath who changed the course of everything but whilst I was doing that I saw many many mineral deficiencies and could correlate them to certain diseases and looked at many different demographics, many different dietary changes and saw the importance of integrated medicine, integrated health, nutrition and what it actually can do. So that’s what I am, an integrated doctor, a naturopath, a clinical nutritionist but it all all roads lead to the same thing and I focus very very hard on the person having resistance, resilience and recovery and I use those three principles I call them the three R’s with all versions and I find that it really does set some very interesting goals and gives them something that empowers them in their health and to how they got to where they got to really. So that’s really me.

Robin Daly
So you made the step from mainstream medicine into nutrition and so this was inspired by some particular naturopath you said?

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
It was. It was inspired by, you know, because I was doing nutrition and looking at all of it, and then with the radioactive infirmary. And it was by a naturopath called Dr. Bernard Jensen, who spent years and years and years with the vegetarians, the Seventh Day Adventists at Loma Lima in California. And their health was extraordinary. And I remember meeting a 93 -year -old surgeon that was still operating.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
I mean, I mean, they were just extraordinary. That is impressive. But it wasn’t just their diet. It was the fact that they had camaraderie. They were together. They looked out for each other. They grew their own food. And it also reminded me of where I come from. My family is from Greece and Israel. And the three main blue zones are where my family is from. And it was similar to that, how they would grow their food, how they lived, how they respected the land, and how they ate beautifully portioned with lots of olive oil and certain foods. And they ate whatever they could in season. And it changed my entire perspective, Robin, on everything. And often it seems simple, but the most simple processes lead to the greatest impact.

Robin Daly
Yeah, put me in mind immediately with the Blue Zone since you started describing that. It’s a very interesting research site, isn’t it, because you can do these massive sort of population studies and then think that you’re then trying to apply something to everybody and it doesn’t seem to be a terribly successful approach. But I find this Blue Zone research, which is looking at these people where you’ve got a good result here, that people are living a long time. That’s great, that they’re healthy. And then starting to see, well, what are they actually doing? It’s a very interesting way to look at health and the components of it.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Yes. My grandfather lived to be very old, over 110. We don’t know whether it was over 113. We’re not sure because they didn’t keep very good records back. It took a while to get to the… But I remember what was very crucial was the amount of olive oil and almonds and what I realized now were all those amazing DHA, EPA oils. And I always say to people, Robin, the DHA decosa hexanoic acid is from the neck up for the brain, for the eyes, for everything. And the EPA is from the neck down for the heart. And of course, the magnificent fresh fish with olive oil, et cetera. Nothing processed because as we know, processed food does not contain enzymes, which I will talk about. So I’m going to go back and really try to give people some basic terms that I learned, enzymes, fiber, that became, aren’t fashionable anymore, although they’re coming back in.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
They’re so important to our health, to everything we do, because they coalesce together to preserve, enhance the microbiome. So I’ll go into that as well. But we really wanted to talk about relieving chronic inflammation. And I wanted to just say that inflammation is an evolutionary conserved process. And it’s characterized by the activation of immune and non -immune cells to protect the host from bacteria, viruses, toxins, and infections. And by eliminating pathogens and promoting tissue repair recovery. But depending on the degree and the extent of the inflammatory response is whether it’s systemic or local metabolic neuroendocrine changes can occur to conserve the metabolic energy and allocate more nutrients, especially minerals, which is my passion, my passion to activate the immune system.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
And it really is all about protecting the immune system that is bombarded, absolutely bombarded by 60% with pollutants, with stress, with trauma, with a lack of good food, et cetera. So it’s all about elevating the immune system, getting it working. And that’s why it’s an absolute joy to be here, that you invited me to talk about my passion.

Robin Daly
passion. Right. So yes, inflammation. So there’s not really any disagreement these days amongst the scientific and medical community that inflammation’s got a key role to play in chronic diseases generally. And it’s what actually one of the agreed hallmark in labelling characteristics of cancer. So super important topic, but as you point out, it’s kind of like, well, in its natural state, let’s say, it’s a good thing. It’s actually working for us. But it can get out of hand. It can actually be sort of switched on for too long, too much. So maybe you want to just characterise what’s going on there when it moves from being friends to folks.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Well, I mean, the first thing to say is that the World Health Organization actually now ranks chronic inflammation diseases as the greatest threat to human health. So let’s begin with that. Okay. It’s important. So now we’ve quantified it, we’ve discussed it, we’ve brought it out in the open. It is a major problem. So what is inflammation? Well, it’s a process of tissue response to the body. It’s part of the usual reaction to disease. It’s very important to bear in mind that inflammation is nature’s intended response, but acute inflammation is something that we need because it’s nature’s fightback mechanism. It’s designed to deal with the threat of invasion. But chronic inflammation diseases, apart from being the biggest significant cause of death in the world. So three to five people are going to die of chronic inflammation, as you said, heart disease, cancer, obesity, diabetes.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
And we all know every one of us in our family has experienced, if not personally, a member. So we are all experiencing this, if one person in our family is. But inflammation is only a problem when it goes on without being resolved. And a major way of resolving, especially the beginning of inflammation and inflammation taking over in our body and becoming chronic inflammation, the main factor is minerals. OK. So I want to start with the most important mineral of all, if I possibly can. You know, the human body is composed entirely of of of minerals and water. People don’t know that we are two thirds water. And the water molecule is so small that two thirds translates into 99 percent of our molecules. So how important is that? But it’s even more important because water with a pH, all medical studies have shown between seven point two and seven point eight is ideal for maintaining good health. So what contains that apart from water?

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Live foods, live food. So the first form of inflammation is what is at the end of your forks. And I remember going and sitting and hearing the great naturopaths talk and it just hit me, Robin, like a sledgehammer. The greatest form of inflammation is the one that begins at the end of your forks. And you cannot say anything else with that. But all minerals are vital in restoring and maintaining the pH balance of the body. And so that’s really important. And water is very crucial for that good water and water that we should have when we are young, starting to teach our children the first thing they should reach for is water. I say it, Robin, because people don’t know the amount, you know, they really don’t. A lot of children do not drink water at all. They don’t understand the concept of it. So water hydration, it’s not just simply about drinking enough water.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
It’s about getting enough water into our cells. And furthermore, as we age, the body would diminish its ability to obtain water from the bloodstream into the extracellular environment and into our cells, which is very important. So we’re beginning to see a pattern here, mineral deficiencies, not enough water, et cetera. So the most simple and quickest way is to begin to really look at that. And it’s not controversial anymore. It was because people that drink more water, great studies have been done, especially with chronic pain. Their pain becomes a lot worse when they tend to drink more water, back pain, stomach pain. And it isn’t about swelling. And I was, people say, oh, but I have to go to the toilet. I describe it like a plant. If a plant is very dry and you pour water into it or completely pour out, if that soil is nourished with water, it’ll absorb it very differently.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
So we’re beginning to see a pattern here. And then, of course, we understand the principles of how important minerals are so no species can survive without minerals as they are the source of all life. They literally are. Matt, I mean, this is from a basic medical textbook, although we forget it. Men, mankind needs minerals to live as every organ, everybody function requires it that the source of cellular energy, the source of all life. And sadly, our food does not provide enough of it. And it really doesn’t. And why? Because we have a loss of top soils. We have diminished nutrients in our food supply. We have a problem with transporting and storage of food where we bring it from every single country known to man. We don’t even have seasonal produce anymore. When I go down to the organic farmers market, Robin, here in London, you’ll just get cabbages one week.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
You know, because that’s what grows, they don’t bring things, that’s, you know, you’ll get, they will grow in season, which is phenomenal. So the soil is enriched in that way. We also have bad food preparation and cooking techniques, but the biggest problem we have is that we have hardly any zinc and selenium in our soils in this country at all. We have a serious problem and I’ll talk about that, but it brings on a further problem because in a perfect world, every more sort of food that we put inside our mouth would carry a ring, sort of a, it would carry, not sort of, a unique and comprehensive bundle of essential minerals and nutrients. And it would also include digestive compounds necessary for those nutrients to be systematically processed and converted into various elemental building blocks in our bodies for repair, rejuvenation, life itself.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
But unfortunately, a little problem, we don’t live in a perfect world. And our food doesn’t provide that any. So as a consequence, the enzymes, which are the maintenance room that keeps our body in check. And by the way, zinc and magnesium are required for over 700 enzyme reactions in the body. So if you don’t get those enzymes in the first place and you’re lacking zinc and magnesium to process them, you’re beginning to see a breakdown of the body occurring. And many studies have been done in America where they’ve actually examined the soil in certain states and counties and they have seen a direct coronation with a certain amount of specific diseases. So in some counties, they would see more diabetes. They had the same fast food restaurants that people had been had. And in other places, they’d see heart disease and they directly correlated that with deficiencies in the soils. So we’re beginning to see a pattern here occurring.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
But the most important thing is is our enzymes that if we don’t have enough food enzymes, digestive enzymes, metabolic enzymes, etc., we actually cannot process anything in the body. And we also can’t protect our microbiome, which is extremely and it’s been a bit of a buzzword at the moment. But it’s very important, the microbiome of the body and minerals are pivotal, absolutely pivotal to that. And as we know, it all begins in the soil. We’ve also removed, come loose, spelt, amaranth. You know, I remember people telling me, older people that they used to have barley every week. Do you remember those conversations, Robin? They used to have these wonderful grains brought in in winter, these beautiful soups with Farah barley. We don’t have that anymore. So and also we’ve removed, we’ve turned salt into table salt, which is absolutely destroying our health.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
So I urge people to think nothing else from this conversation apart from drinking more water. Please bring in those beautiful, beautiful salts, those Himalayan sea salts, those mineral salts that have iodine and all these amazing nutrients. We do an Okinawa, I give it a lot to my patients, this ionic calcium, which has 75 micro minerals because the micro minerals are as important as the macro. They called micro, people think you don’t need enough of them. Oh, gosh, you do. You really do. And I’ll talk about that later. But Okinawa is from Okinawa, which is the biggest blue zone in the world. They have more people who live to be a hundred and more than anywhere else. And it’s to do with this beautiful mineralised calcium made from coral. And it’s completely, they obtain it from coral that doesn’t damage. It’s all tested. It’s if anything, it enhances the sea. So and they’ve realised that they live along because of these beautiful salts in there. It has selenium. It has every macro and ionic calcium.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
So we’re beginning to see something happen, but also having these minerals, also lack of minerals is directly linked with many diseases. And I don’t know if you want me to go into them.

Robin Daly
Well just a question. Okay, so it’s easy to establish that our current soils are very depleted. It makes complete sense in a way, just given what’s happened to the soil. But do we actually know for sure, or do we have some documentation that lets us know that this wasn’t the case some time ago? And if so, what sort of period are we talking about? So like, you know, 50 years ago, it was completely different.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
they say since after the Second World War. You know, the irony was, Robin, from all the studies I’ve seen, people were never, never healthier, because they had rationed, they were rationed, their own food. They also had, they also remember the fish man would come once a week, and people had a fish meal once a week. Well, this all changed completely. But the biggest problem that we’ve had within our soils are the glyphosate. I don’t want to get political, but we’re using them more and more. So all that has had a major impact in the soil. And I want to also say how important it all does begin with the soil. The condition of the soil has a profound effect on the health and well -being of humans. But I think it’s happened from all the studies I’ve read in the last 50 years. But people are growing their own vegetables. Now, Robin, a lot of organic vegetables don’t have more nutrients, but they certainly don’t have everything else. Right. All the negatives.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
So I must just be clear because people are, but to that, the lack of selenium has been well known for 20 years. And just let me tell you how important in this country, there’s none. If you want to get selenium, you’d have to get Brazil nuts from Brazil. Right. Okay. They, selenium, although their soils are slowly diminishing, they’re ripping it all out to grow soy up. But selenium is so important, it’s an essential trace mineral that supports bodily function. It improves cognition, immune system, function and fertility. It’s so important. And so UK soil levels of magnesium, selenium in some areas are so dangerously low, they’re non -existent. But I think people are aware we’re trying to address it, but there’s a paradox here, which is a hard concept to understand that while we’re eating foods and we’ve got nutrients floating around, they’re not actually getting into the tissues as they should be.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
And we have this problem with many supplements, of course, because people can’t process them. Robin, I’ve got so much to talk to you about. I know.

Robin Daly
I’ve got plenty to talk to you as well. So look, I just want, because of that problem, there’s too much to talk about, I just want to give a brief mention to the fact that you mentioned like with the Seventh Day Adventist and the Blue Zones, there’s a lot of factors there. Now you’re putting what’s on your fork has been the number one factor, but it is important to mention that some of the other ones like the social cohesion and all that kind of thing and the lowered stress and everything are also, they impinge majorly on inflammation, don’t they, these things they can do so. So it’s a complex picture formed of a lot of different ingredients. But anyway, we can’t talk about it at all. So we’re homing in on nutrition particularly and one aspect of that, which is these minerals. So

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Absolutely. And I just wanted to say as well that this disharmony that is seen in these minerals, so the interaction and interdependence and interrelationship of minerals is actually the essence of therapeutics and forms the basis of correctional nutritional deficiencies. And I must say, that’s dear to my heart, and we saw it a lot during COVID, the isolation of people eating on their own, the loneliness, if you leave a cell on its own, it’s isolated, it will die, it will mutate, human beings are the same. So it doesn’t, it’s not just about it’s everything that feeds into that that you beautifully said, and I’m just quantifying that and validating it. So it’s all those things together that’s breaking down as well how people are. But I also think a lot of people don’t really know what’s happening in their foods. They don’t really understand, for all intents and purposes, it looks okay. How many times a day do people ask me, can we truly obtain sufficient nutrients from our food?

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
And I say, no, you cannot. No, you certainly cannot. And the biggest problem is having sufficient that is in the right quantities, being able to digest it is also an issue, but also having enough that can sustain the microbiome. And it’s just a fancy word really, for it’s the microbiome is very, very important in the body. And it’s specifically important. I mean, I’ve not been said on it a lot. They’re doing they’re doing an awful lot on it at the moment. But the biggest thing with microbiome is that if you have sufficient microbiome, you are less likely to have diseases. So there are different types of bacteria, as we know, viruses, fungi, and other microorganisms. So collectively, they got microbiome. They play such a vital role in maintaining overall health by helping us digest food and make nutrients. And they support the body’s immune system. And they talk to the brain.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
It’s the stomach talks to the brain. And many medical studies have shown that focusing our daily awareness on our gut microbiome is key to good health. So having enough calcium, fiber, iron, fermented chlorophyll, which gives oxygen to the blood in rich foods, probiotics, fermented foods will lower the incident of disease in the body and will really increase your recovery.

Robin Daly
Okay, so we’ve got two foci of attention here. One is mineral levels and the other one is the quality of our microbiome and they’re like, they’re very interlinked, the two obviously. So when you’re working, how are you addressing your efforts?

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
I look at all of it. When I’m working with individuals, I look at everything. I often start with very, very strong first principles and I ask some very basic questions and I often find, Robin, people present with really basic nutritional deficiencies. I ask about their fatigue, headaches, dizziness. I ask some very basic medical questions, cold hands and feet, nails, inflammation of the tongue. Usually a lot of people that come to me have iron deficiencies that they’ve had. A lot of women, of course, it’s the number one deficiency in the world, especially even in Western countries, but they also have magnesium deficiencies, irregular heartbeat, mental health conditions, weak bones, osteoporosis, they’re irritable, they’re provoked to anger. I really begin by addressing these basic principles. I had a last week, a woman brought me her daughter and I said, you do realize your daughter has a very serious iron deficiency? I begin to address it and often what happens is quite profound.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Because when you have enough nutrients in your body, you can think better, you can function, you can make better decisions, you can work, it changes the entire trajectory of yourself and how you are. It’s basic, so it’s so important to address these basic mineral deficiencies. Also, if somebody has cancer or is going through chemotherapy, I then address it again in many, many different ways. But there isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t ask, give people the most important nutrient of all apart from water. I ask them to sleep, Robin. I ask them to take everything out of their bedroom, get that wretched phone out, Alexa out of the bedroom, everything out and sleep. And I tell them over and over again, how important sleep is, because when you sleep, it’s called the brainwash. There’s a lymph system in the brain called the glymphatic system that exists. The brain, it happens in deep sleep, especially before 12 o ‘clock. And early on in the sleep cycle, the brain goes through a wash cycle and it shrinks by 20%.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
And all the toxins are squeezed out of the brain. And we have to have a great deal of blood flow to do that. So if you’ve eaten very late at night, I always say to people, please try and have a five hour window where you don’t eat before you go to bed, because digestion is very energy expensive. And you won’t be able to do both. So please don’t snack. So your brain can go through this process, because how can you function the next day, especially if you’ve had a traumatic day the day before, if you’re dragging what’s happened the following day. So I often show them a picture of Koala Bear and they say to me, Oh, Dr. Zodie, you want me to go to Australia? I said, no, I want you to sleep.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
So, these things are very, very important. But you can’t sleep if you don’t have enough iron. You can’t sleep if you don’t have enough zinc. You cannot sleep if you don’t have enough magnesium in your body. It’s so incredibly important. And if you lose this homostatic equilibrium and these interactions of minerals, your vitamins are not processed because you need minerals. Minerals are important for your vitamins. You can’t process your vitamins without minerals. You will have malabsorption and your body will begin to enter into an inflammatory and eventually chronic inflammation. So, it all begins to go together. So, I always ask them to do many processes. I often reset them. I often reset them, Robin. I ask people to reset and break the myths. Resetting their body and simplifying everything and clearing the way gives them a great way forward and simple.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
They often support the liver. As we know, it’s the biggest organ in the body. For God’s sake, it’s the size of a football. It sits on the right -hand side. A healthy liver performs hundreds of functions. Again, you cannot do that without minerals in your body. So, I work on that aspect and look at this stomach as well, because most people’s stomach has to diminish, especially when they’re over 40. They can’t process anything. And I often give a test as well and I say, do you have bloating, constipation, diarrhea, skin problems. A lot of people come in with acne, rashes, eczema, fatigue, headaches, anxiety, depression, mood swings, digestive problems, constant weight gain, high blood pressure. Well, these are all classic mineral deficiencies, classic mineral deficiencies.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Now we know about vitamin D, we’re addressing that very well in this country, most people that go to their GP, they will be asked to take vitamin D, which is actually a hormone, but we call it vitamin, vitamin D.

Robin Daly
Right, okay well look, all of that advice is advice that you could give to anybody who came in the door. Yes. I’m interested, we haven’t got a lot of time left so I wanted to hear a bit more specifically about the kind of thing you look for and the kind of advice you give to people who come in the door who have maybe recently been diagnosed with cancer.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Right. It’s a very good question. The first thing I do is I start, I realize, depending on who they are, I bring the whole, I try to interact with the whole family. It’s so important. It sounds, when I give talks, and it’s almost like an aha moment for people, because especially with men, often they don’t do the cooking, their partner does. So I bring everybody in. But what I do, ask them to do is, depending on what sort of cancer they have, I try to find really good ways that they can assimilate their food, whether it’s bone broth or different kinds of ways that they can eat. I also use nano minerals, which are not linked or tied to any compounds, any fillers or any, any compounds at all. They are completely elemental. They are odorless and colorless, and they are a water because it’s easy for them to digest.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
And it doesn’t go through the stomach. It bypasses the stomach. It goes through the oral mucosa, the soft tissue in the mouth, and they swallow it. So I address all that, because at this point, the moment you have cancer, and you go through treatment, your iron levels diminish, your magnesium levels, your calcium levels. So I really find natural ways with food, and with very high quality minerals that don’t affect the gut or the kidney and the liver, so that they have enough. And I also work very succinctly not to interfere with any treatments, because their body is going through a process. But they need to be able to sleep. And often magnesium helps, helps them sleep. And magnesium is the pace maker for the heart. I don’t know if you, if you know, magnesium is the key iron in chlorophyll.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
So if nature puts it in there, the key iron, it must, we must need it, don’t you think, Robin? If nature puts it in there. Makes sense. Makes sense, doesn’t it? It does. So the reason I then often encourage them to change the way they process their foods, to make soups, to make, to make drinks. Often, I give out beautiful algaes and things that are simple for them that they can mix in water. Because I know they’re going to get some nourishment, and it’s not going to interfere with anything to support them, to support their body. So they have reserves that are not putting a burden on their body. And it usually makes such a difference. I focus a lot on magnesium, because if it’s deficient, apart from all the element, everything that you did, the long list of medical papers to show blood pressure, sleep, heart disease, osteoporosis, migraines, depression, cataract, cancer, muscle recovery, apart from all of that, you, as I’m talking to you now,

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
the first thing I’m using up is magnesium, as we’re talking to each other. But it is also the most natural anti -inflammatory agent you could possibly obtain in the body. And that’s why it’s so important. And it doesn’t interfere, especially the one I use, nano magnesium, it doesn’t interfere with any process, because often, often your digestion is compromised, Robin. And a lot of these supplements that you see have the supplements and tablets and capsules on the market, or they have a very low absorption rate, they’re bound to compounds, they have excipients, they have all sorts of additives, fillers, all sorts of processes in them, in order to make them so they’ll the shelf to give them a natural color to take the odors away. So there’s a low absorption rate. But what I really do is simplify the diet and their lifestyle.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
I also really encourage them to rely on breathing and nature. And it makes such a difference. I say go out for a walk. Pardon? I said go out for a walk. and look at nature, look at everything. It makes such a difference, Robin, such a difference. And a lot of hunger, a lot of hunger, especially when you’re ill, is nutrient deficiency and a lack of hydration. So I also work in explaining that and balancing those deficiencies. So those cravings for sugars and other things become a lot less because we know that sugar and other food should not be consumed. It really is helpful to get your gut right. So I work like that very well. And then I work very differently when they’re on chemotherapy. I have a whole different diet for them, especially when they’re feeling nauseous and ill and products like this.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
So I do cater it around, around that very much, very much. And it makes a big difference, Robin, to the recovery. It makes a huge difference to your health because when people feel better and they feel more in control and they can sleep, they actually recover a lot better. All medical studies have shown that they recover better. They feel better about themselves. They recover better. And also when people come to me, I want them to have something that empowers them for life. I want them to have something forever.

Robin Daly
Yeah, well, that’s obviously for people who’ve had a diagnosis of cancer, the period after this, which they hope will be a long and healthy one, it requires attention. You don’t take things for granted after you’ve had cancer, once, if you’re at all sensible. And so resources to know what’s important, to understand what’s maintaining balance, and keeping inflammation at bay, what it looks like, that’s pretty vital stuff.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
very vital, Robin, extremely important, and also, I cannot even tell you with personal experience how much better people feel physically, mentally, emotionally, and also the family get involved. It’s something they can do for that person to support them. You know, if they don’t have a lot of money, there’s an arm that wants to buy them, you know, a nutribullet, there’s somebody else that wants to buy them a water filter, you know, a small, all, everybody gets involved and everybody gets help, but the most important thing that I’ve seen over and over again, physically, in blood results, is how much better people feel when they recover, how much stronger they are. You go in prepared and you feel more confident. If you’ve got more energy, you feel much better. If you’re sleeping better and you can walk better, you do feel a lot better when you go in, you recover a lot.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
So, and you’re ready for the next. It’s something that you also are finally doing for you. And it’s, you know, it’s, everybody comes together and everybody feels they have a very, very important role they do and they get a chance to experience that. They get a chance to be part of something because we, as we know, Robin, in my family, at my personal experience, everybody, everybody is involved when somebody is ill with cancer, everybody in the family, your work colleagues, what is affected when one of my work colleagues was ill, we were all affected. And same in my family and in my personal life. So it’s, it’s, it’s very important to set up a good standard and then it’s, it’s, and it doesn’t take a lot. It doesn’t take a lot of money or resources to change the way you work and bringing foods in, just having a simple green smoothie a day, some bone broth soup, some, a very good supplement with somebody that knows you just feel better, much better.

Robin Daly
Okay, well, that’s a good message and we’re gonna have to leave it there. We’re out of time.

Robin Daly
I loved your message about energy. Low energy puts a blice on everything in life. It’s such a game changer, so if you can maintain good energy levels, everything else is likely to work better. So, yeah, brilliant. A lot of resources there for people today. Thank you very much for everything, even if it was only just scratching the surface. It was a great talk.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Thank you, Robin, so much and really, really appreciate the opportunity and it’s been wonderful to talk with you today.

Robin Daly
Thank you.

Dr Zouë Lloyd-Wright
Take care. Bye, Robin. Bye. Bye.

Robin Daly
I feel I’ve learned quite a bit from that discussion and I hope you feel likewise. There is just so much to know about maintaining good health in amongst the myriad of issues that have been created in our environment, particularly in the last 75 years. Put simply, there are consequences for remaining ignorant. Thanks for listening today.