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Robin Daly
Hello and welcome to the Yes To Life show on UK Health Radio. I’m Robin Daly, Chairman and Founder of Yes To Life, the UK charity that’s working to make integrative cancer care available to all. Each week on the show, I speak to someone from the world of interdependent medicine, a doctor, a practitioner, an activist, and this week I’m speaking to one of the co-founders of the Cancer Journey Institute, Shariann Tom. Shariann is someone who has used her own diagnosis of cancer as a springboard to take action and set up the institute as a platform to train specialist coaches in supporting people through cancer, patients and carers. I’m speaking to SShariann haronne in California. Shariann, thanks so much for being my guest today on the Yes To Life show.

Shariann Tom
Hello, Robin. It’s a pleasure being here.

Robin Daly
So, you’re co-founder of the Cancer Journey Institute. You’ve been training coaches for more than a decade, providing people with the experience of having had cancer with the tools to support other people. It has maybe seemed a bit of an obvious question, but I’d like to ask anyway, what made you want to set up this institute in the first place?

Shariann Tom
No, it’s a very good question, though. So I was really moved, and I really, I could even say, called to set up something like this. The genesis, of course, came from my five cancers, but I didn’t wait till I had five cancer journeys or cancer bouts. It pretty much started right at the beginning when I was talking to my doctor and I said, so what am I going to go through, kind of as a human being? And he said, oh, well, you know, these are the treatment options, and this is what you’ll go through. And I’m like, no, no, no, no, not just the treatment. What am I going to experience? I knew that it was going to be somewhat of a roller coaster ride. So what are the ups and downs? What are the pitfalls? What can I prepare myself for? And he’s just like, well, there’s side effects, but you’re going to be fine, Sherry, and you’re just going to go through this. And I thought, wow, what am I going to go through emotionally?

Shariann Tom
What is my mindset going to be? How am I going to keep myself motivated through all of this? And I really thought to myself, I’m not the only one who’s ever gone through cancer. I am not the first one to go through cancer. So let’s really take a journey. It opened my eyes to, we need a roadmap. We need something that really helps us and holds us as we’re going through this type of challenging, traumatic experience. And not that I’m a problem solver, but I am definitely a doer, and I wanted to make sense of what was going on. So I’ve created a roadmap, shared it with some people, and they were like, wow, this is great. And as I did go through the five different bouts of cancer, it became really clear this is right on the roadmap. And this really helps people make sense of what they’re going through and almost somewhat preparing us so that it isn’t the constant step into the unknown. That made me feel like, okay, I’m doing something with something tragic that showed up in my life.

Robin Daly
Excellent. Well, yeah, that business of being prepared to be in the unknown so much is too much for people, isn’t it, to be thrown. It’s like another planet, Cancer, where you don’t understand the language. You’ve got no idea what it really means. Well, what is chemo? What’s it like? As you say, there’s so many things you don’t know that it’s a terrible thing for people. It’s an awful shock. And yeah, some sort of guidance is like magic. Exactly.

Shariann Tom
it’s horribly daunting and knowing that you’re kind of going through this alone. I mean, you’ve got your support, your friends and your family, you’ve got your medical team, but what everything is happening is happening to you. Absolutely. So that can feel very lonely.

Robin Daly
Definitely. So you’ve had cancer five times. That is a lot, I have to say. And obviously you’ve come across this idea that people can help and everything early on and obviously you have, in amongst that, you’ve actually ascertained what are the really important things, you know, what are the key things to be on, if you like. And you’ve found those to be helpful to you, that’s why you want to pass them on to other people. So if I just ask you to give your opinion, if you’ve had cancer five times, it’s pretty pernicious. It’s something that you haven’t been able to get rid of easily. And probably a lot of people might have survived as long as to have cancer five times, if it’s that pernicious. So how much do you think this knowing what you know and finding out what you know now, how much do you think has contributed to your survival of this intense barrage of this disease?

Shariann Tom
I do think that it comes down to my mindset, because after the first time, it’s like, okay, I can do this, and I did, and I went into remission. And then the second time it came back, it was like, whoa, whoa, what’s happening here? And it was only so quickly, it was a year and a month after I was first diagnosed. So I was just barely out of treatment, not barely, but I was out of treatment, and it was like, wow, what’s this? And so I needed to find a way for me to hold this. And we were talking about the unknown and the fear of recurrence, it’s always, always there. But the mindset that I leaned into was, okay, this is here. What is here for me? Not that woe is me, and I’m proud to say I’m not necessarily that kind of person, although I’m human, so of course I’m going to think, why is this happening to me, and trying to understand that?

Shariann Tom
But more beyond the why, it was, so what is it here for me? And I felt like it was more of a tap on the shoulder, okay, not a tap on the shoulder. The sock in the face, that’s scary.

Robin Daly
I was gonna say, a bit on the tap, yeah.

Shariann Tom
It’s like, Sherriann, let’s pause here. You’re running full speed ahead. And I was, I was a mommy of two little kids, had a more than full-time job. My husband, my household, you know, just running, running. And it did stop me. So then it was, what are you doing? And who’s the lifestyle that you want? If this how you wanna live your life. And if not, I have to say, if not for cancer, especially the first time, the second time, absolutely. I would not have slowed down to look at, what’s my choosing? What’s important to me? What’s it about, and I’m gonna be really honest here, what it’s just about chasing the dollar and making a lot of money and being successful at work so that we could go to, you know, this fantastic vacation at Disneyland, which we did. All the while, I was still working. And it was like, sure, we get to have this wonderful vacation for my family, but I’m still not provident. And so it was this mindset of, what’s here for me? What can I learn from what’s going on?

Shariann Tom
And slowing down, big time slowing down.

Robin Daly
Well, that sounds very key to your situation from what you’ve described, and I think what you’ve told me there is that basically without this kind of attention to your mindset and everything else, that you wouldn’t have made the changes necessary in your life to survive, that actually those things would have just taken you to the grave, peddling hard. And so that’s how important those things can be to actually not carry on doing whatever we were doing that took us to the point where we had cancer.

Shariann Tom
Exactly. Not that cancer is here for a reason, but if you choose to take that perspective, you can step back and say, what’s cure for me? And what can I… Like, really, what’s not working? Obviously, my body wasn’t working and it was doing that on my behalf. That’s how I held it. So if that’s true, what else is available to me? And that slowing down, or really, it was a full stop. But once treatment started, there wasn’t much that I could do. So now I’m really stuck in my head, right? And I’m going through these treatments wondering, am I going to end up at the other end, which is what I wanted, right? I wanted my babies to have a mommy and I wanted that mommy to mean me. And how is it that I want to choose what my life means, how I want to live it? And those are some really big existential questions.

Robin Daly
They are. Anyway, congratulations that you are there being their mum, you know, despite all that, amazing, quite an achievement. So look, let’s talk a bit about coaching now. So having been in the background, it’s been benefiting a few people for many years coaching, but it seems to me it’s suddenly like taken off, but it’s starting to be seen as like essential for people with cancer, something I’d certainly support the concept. I think, yeah, great. If every person with cancer got the opportunity to have a coach. So apart from the horrible truth that of course many, many more people are getting cancer now than even when you began your course. Yes. What do you think are the factors playing into the rise in this visibility of coaching all of a sudden?

Shariann Tom
Oh, I think people… Okay, so everything that you said is absolutely true. The rise, there was kind of this really solid stop during COVID where people were not going to get checked out. We were fearful. Nobody wanted to go into the hospital for fear that we would get something worse than what we thought. So people weren’t getting checked out. And now that COVID is kind of more, I hate saying this word, but normalize. It’s like, okay, it’s going to be here. It’s going to be here in some kind of version forever. At least don’t take my word for that. I’d like it to be gone. But that people have now gone through their doctors and what they were holding at bay is showing up. And so that’s the rise of cancer. And coaching also started growing in that same base because people had a lot of time. We were stuck at home. We weren’t out there doing the distracting things. So now we’re asking those again, existential questions, but not even just cancer individuals, individuals in general.

Shariann Tom
Do I like where I’m working? Do I like my lifestyle? What have I chosen? Now that I’m on the hamster wheel, what is it that I really want? And to find these answers, we’re looking around going, where do, who do I go to to help me answer these questions? And that’s where life coaching really has propagated itself in this arena. When we’re working with cancer individuals, it’s a similar question, right? We were always mentioning the existential question of who am I now? What is it that I want in my life? What does this all mean to me? And yet we’re still dealing with this journey as cancer, which is not something that we can put in the closet. It’s bread and center.

Shariann Tom
We’ve got to deal with that as well as these questions of who am I now? And so being able to take the value of life coaching and the tools that we’ve created to help somebody through their cancer journey has really encapsulated a chance to heal the individual in a holistic way where we’re not just doing the physical body that we used to and historically with cancer, but now we’re also addressing how are they feeling? What’s their emotional health? What is their mental health? What is their spiritual health? And when they talk about spirit, it’s not just some connection to a higher power, but also just that inner frame that we have, like what’s our alive? That this whole thing combined so that we can be a whole person and heal the whole.

Robin Daly
Yeah, we experienced the same thing with COVID. It’s been actually a massive boost to the whole concept of well-being and many of the things which we’ve been banging on about for 20 years have gone from being wacky to being actually sort of quite normal and sensible, which I like, you know, that they’ve spoken about on the, you know, mainstream media and in a way as though everybody understands that that’s the case. And yeah, funny enough, that was kind of the silver lining in COVID that I think because of the fact that COVID actually dealt with people who are not fundamentally very well in a very bad way and killed many of them, but actually people who are healthy just had flu, you know, that’s something that was pretty stark. And I think it raised everybody’s awareness of, you know, how important it is to actually look at their well-being in a different way and not to just assume they’ll always be okay and they actually need to be proactive and pay attention.

Robin Daly
It has been a huge step forward, we found. So okay, so look, I’m going to give you a sales pitch moment now. Why should someone with cancer consider getting a coach? And why should someone who’s had cancer consider training to be a coach?

Shariann Tom
Wow, two really big questions. Okay, cycle the first one. So why should someone going through cancer have a cancer journey coach? First off, I wanted to tap on the fact that we call ourselves cancer journey coaches. So you’ve seen the ribbon movement where it’s like, okay, we’re going to warrior up and we’re going to battle this or fight this disease. Not that I have a problem with that. I just really don’t think that that is helpful for the patient and anyone who’s supporting them because now we’re, we’re warring up. And so it’s almost like you’re putting on armor. You’re not being, you know, with we need, we are communal beings, but, but mostly you’re, you’re, you’re ready to fight and you can only fight so long before you get exhausted and tired.

Shariann Tom
And, and that whole concept of all, they lost their battle. They, there was no, they didn’t lose. This was part of their journey. This is how their, their body and their life played out. I don’t want anyone to feel like they did something wrong and they got cancer, but that they actually, this was part of what’s dealt with for them or to them. And let’s be with this where there’s lots of adversities in our life. And we, and I think that’s one of the messages that you and your podcast do is that we’re trying to live the best life we can. And so if adversity shows up, you can either take this chance of I’m going to fight it or let me, let me ride with it. Let me see what is the best that I can be even through adversity. So that’s what a cancer journey coach will help you be is an individual that is riding this journey versus trying to fight at every turn.

Shariann Tom
It does help with, you know, the physical exhaustion. That’s, that’s a big part of it. So treatment will help. It will help you treat network better. It will help you grow up in life better. So I highly obviously recommend it because I actually was supported by coaches, not cancer journey coaches, cause I didn’t invent it yet, but coaches that were there to really help me go beyond where I could go by myself. So that was really key. The second question is, so then if that’s the case and we have a million individuals being diagnosed with cancer this year, new diagnosis, a million, why can’t all of these people, as you said it for the very beginning, ask someone like a cancer journey coach to really walk with them through this journey so that they don’t feel alone, but so that they’re actually making the best that they can of this challenging situation.

Shariann Tom
And so we need coaches there to do exactly what I said about how we work with the cancer individual to help them go through this and not have them, you know, while you’re in battle up and get exhausted and, and, and even perhaps hurt themselves because they’re, they’re trying to heal up and not let this particular journey continue.

Robin Daly
Great, thank you. Yeah, right with you on the battle there. We don’t do that stuff. I don’t think it’s helpful to people at all. And yeah, the whole idea is that somehow they’re full to the cancer as well. I mean, you know, if they did do some things that have contributed to their health, well, it’s an opportunity to learn something. I mean, you are a case in point, you think you are overworked, basically, and you change that. And so you don’t do that anymore. That’s great. I mean, they used it as an opportunity. So, yeah, it’s not a great thing cancer, nobody’s going to say it’s good. But if you find yourself there, well, the best thing you can do is actually to look around and say, okay, what, what can we do with this then?

Shariann Tom
Right. I don’t want people to see it as a punishment, but we do. I mean, it’s almost a natural response of, Oh my God, I’ve got this diagnosis. What did I do to create this? What did I do wrong? Did I not eat well? Did I not exercise enough? Did I, you know, what did I do after the fact? And as you just said, you didn’t do anything wrong. You were living your life. Now’s a chance to reevaluate instead of it being a punishment. It’s like, let’s step back. What’s it? What, what would my best life look like?

Robin Daly
Okay. So, now I’d like to just ask about cancer coaching, specifically whether, you know, it’s not the same thing to everybody. There’s a range of interpretations about what a cancer coach is and what they do. So, I’m interested to hear what’s included in your definition of coaching, and importantly, what’s not included in it.

Shariann Tom
Okay, so there are individuals who call themselves cancer coaches. I once heard this commercial on the radio saying, call us and our cancer coach will talk to you. It happened to be an insurance company and they wanted to sell you insurance. And I’m like, how is that a cancer coach? So that’s at one end. And then there’s what I was just describing as the cancer journey end, where we’re really focused on the emotions. We’re extremely trained in emotional intelligence. We understand that emotions are messengers. And in a sense, we’re also functioning as teachers or mentors to our clients so that they start receiving the whole, oh, this is what I do with emotions. This is what they’re here for. If they’re messengers, how do I listen to them? How do I be with them? And instead of having a, what people like to classify as negative or bad emotions, we don’t say negative. We don’t say emotions are good or bad.

Shariann Tom
We say they’re constricting, which doesn’t feel so great, which is why people call that negative and bad. Or we consider them expansive. Expansive, like joy and happiness. Everyone’s like, oh, I want to feel those. So those must be good. And then there’s the ones in the middle that are neutral. And so while we get to understand that, then we don’t push away those constricting emotions that we don’t want to feel like hopelessness and despair. It’s like, no, no, no, I don’t want to look at that. No, I don’t want to be angry. I don’t want to be sad. And yet those still reside within our bodies. Emotions really do. It’s our body’s way of speaking to us. And if we push them away or ignore them, then we’re not really listening to ourselves. They’re messengers to say, let’s pause. Something’s going on. So we go that far. And then we go, how do you be with them?

Shariann Tom
Because if you really are feeling your emotions, not judging them as good and bad, it will shift to just something else. It’s like breathing or not conscious, nor do we, we try to control our breathing sometimes, but we’re not so conscious of it. That’s the same with emotions. You’re feeling emotion every moment of the day, but you don’t go, Oh, I’m feeling sad. Oh no, now I’m mad. Oh, now I’m delighted. Oh, now I’m jealous. You know, we just, we don’t do that. Just like I don’t go, I’m breathing with you right now, Robin. It’s just, it just happened that we get to the emotions. And then we, we talk about your aliveness. What is that part of you, your spirit that it’s important for you to pay attention to? And I can speak so much to that because not only was I probably, I will classify myself as a workaholic, but just a focused person who was looking at the end goal and not enjoying this pathway, this, this life that I was living.

Shariann Tom
I just wanted to go there. I wanted to be sick, so I wanted to make a lot of money. And I want that Norman Rockwell picture. You lose a lot when you’re only looking at the end goal. It is the parts that are along the way, the steps along the way. And so that’s, that’s at the other spectrum of coaching. So I mean, cancer coaching. So we’ve got this whole spectrum and everything in between. And I’m just holding up the banner for what’s possible so that people can really use the cancer diagnosis and the, and the journey as an opportunity to step really fully into what you want and putting your desires and who you are meant to be in this world first. It was a long answer, I know.

Robin Daly
so many people have absolutely no idea what the answer to that last thing is for them and the cancer really is an opportunity to actually find out and and what a rewarding thing to do I mean really because it could completely change the course of your life.

Shariann Tom
Well, one of the things that we do that I think is really unique, and it’s something that everybody wants to know, is what’s my unique purpose? What is it that I bring into this world that’s just me? In the flavor that I bring it, in the way that I bring it, my reason for being here on this planet, and I know that we all want that, everyone, but because we’re working with cancer individuals where that cancer diagnosis and the treatment that goes with it almost breaks you open, and you don’t have the energy or the wherewithal to perform or to pretend any of that. You’re just basically raw, and from that place of rawness, we can discover, what? Who are you really? And what’s really here for you to contribute to the world? And so if you’re willing to step into that place and that gift, if I may say that, of a cancer diagnosis and journey, then you can come out of this if your body agrees with you, because I can’t control my body.

Shariann Tom
I would have loved to have said, okay, cancer, now I want you to be gone. You go through that particular treatment, whatever you decide, and then you hope to be at the other end, but the chances of being at the other end and feeling like you have a contribution to the world, oh my God, that feeling is, I don’t even have words for it. I love when we are able to find those whys, those purpose statements with our clients, and they’re like, that’s just the cherry on the top of everything.

Robin Daly
Sounds good. So now I want to ask you something you were talking, you were describing coaching and what it is and how it’s about this whole emotional journey and all that sort of stuff. And I’m thinking, great, sounds really good. And then I think to myself, but unfortunately, men’s conditioning is such they’re not even supposed to have an emotional life really. They’re so repressed. Isn’t it true? I mean, men, in order to be manly, we don’t really have an emotional life. I mean, it’s less true than it used to be. It’s getting better, but it’s still pretty much the case. And complementary medicine, if you like, is by women for women. So I’m wondering in the world of coaching, this must also be true with what you’re doing is that most of the people who come to you that recognize what you’re offering would be really good are going to be women.

Robin Daly
And in that case, how are you getting to men? Are you managing it in any way? What are your tactics? What works with men? How can men understand that they’re just the same? Actually, they’ve got the same fears, the same things they have to go through and they need coaching every bit as much as women do. They just don’t get it. They tough it out.

Shariann Tom
I’m glad that that’s changing. And it’s a wonderful question that you’re asking. And I love the depth that we’re going to with this podcast. So thank you for taking us there. Yes, men are still emotional beings like women. There is more conditioning, obviously, as you are raised. Let’s be manly. All of societal advertisements support that. We have men who are our Chancellor Journey Coaches. Good. I have a few who do specialize in the emotional realm because they understand the journey to actually get from super masculine and not feeling anything and pushing them away to embracing them and accepting them. So that’s the nice part is that we can match men with men if they’re resistant. Then men request women, Cancer Journey Coaches. Because they know that there is that, I’m going to use the word softer, doesn’t have to be softer, that more open try, that not hard focus on, I have to be this way, but the possibility, the openness of that.

Shariann Tom
I had one client who changed me while he was going through his Cancer Journey. I would talk about emotion, sharing kind of an emotional vibrating being when she walks into a room. It’s like, I could feel them and I will do them. He’s like, I don’t know. I said, just stay with me. We went step by step. It wasn’t a large jump. It was like, what can you do today? It was really recognizing, what are you most of, starting from ground one. Taking off that stigma of you’re too soft or you’re weak if you’re feeling your emotions. We have a model called the map of emotions, which allows from literacy of, oh, it’s not just mad, sad, glad, it’s like this whole map of emotions that I have access to, but I may not allow myself to do that. Going again, back to the step by step, let’s just feel with what’s here. The resistance is innate, even for women. It’s like, we’re not taught how to do this in primary school or as we’re growing up.

Shariann Tom
I’m feeling something and I’m looking around the room to see if this is okay to feel and if it isn’t, then I’ll feel it. That’s mostly the expansive ones, right? Happy and positive. What about this pessimism in a negative or anything that feels bad and people are frowning at me, okay, I’m conditioned, there we go. When you’re with your coach and they’re open and opening it up for you, you can step into it without feeling like you’re going to be judged or chastised or blamed or shamed, any meaning of that, where it’s just, let me try this on, almost like, let me try on this new shirt. Let’s see how it looks on me, how does it feel? It literally, when I say that, it’s like, okay, put your arms in, let’s see how that feels on your arms, let’s button it up, how does that feel? We’re just taking it step by step where they’re saying, oh, okay, I can do this and the value of that is that I’m not stuck, because just like any human, men get depressed, they get embarrassed, they get disappointed,

Shariann Tom
all of the emotions, and if we just feel them, they’ll shift. And then there’s the rear, feeling like I’m more, I don’t really like the word control, but I can’t think of another one right now, I’m more in alignment with my life. Instead of me trying to control it and be this, no, wait, warrior, women do it too. And if I have a client who’s a female and she’s not really attuned to her emotions, but I know that there’s a lot, I can feel it underneath the surface, it’s like, can we go there? There’s always that permission asking, there’s always a step by step, we don’t ever go further than our clients willing to go. But it’s in that needing them where they are, step by step, with our tools that we have and the education that we provide at the same time, it’s like, oh, I’m going to stay on.

Shariann Tom
Oh, I feel the difference now, before when I was holding in, and here I did some relief and I could let that go and not be afraid. If I’m afraid of being angry that I’m gonna hurt somebody, then I released it here with you and I didn’t hurt anything.

Robin Daly
Sounds great. All right. Well, good. More patching you with luring men into the world of being emotional beings, because it really needs to happen. I mean, look at the number of young men committing suicide just because they can’t go there. Because they know inside, they’re too sensitive to survive in this male world, in this thing. It’s terrible, really. And so, sounds great what you’re doing, and sounds like you’re doing it fantastically well as well. There was something that, you’ve got a little movie on your website, and there was a little quote that I had to let our listeners hear. And that was having a cancer diagnosis, this is really an opportunity to answer the call of your soul. I thought that was such a great way of expressing the opportunity of cancer. It’s a difficult thing to broach as a subject in a way. Cancer is such a bum deal that you start talking to people about a great opportunity, you’re likely to get a black eye, I think. Just tell me how you introduce that kind of thing.

Shariann Tom
very slowly. It was bold of us to make that statement. We had this other statement that, it’s in our book, The Call of Cancer that, may I say, it’s available on Amazon. You might. Thank you. We had this one statement in there, and I was really shaking when we were writing in and putting it out there, but it is, here is a provocative statement. What if cancer is actually the thing that heals you? And it’s very much like what you just said, but said in a different way. If we’re all wanting to heal, and of course you want to heal from cancer, nobody wants to just give up. It’s not your first response though, your first response after a diagnosis, even today is, I’m going to die. We’re not ready to just let go and go, okay, take me. And that is your soul inside of you saying, okay, there’s something more here for you.

Shariann Tom
And a cancer diagnosis is an illness, and so we want to heal. So great. We’ll start down that path of healing our body because we think that it’s just the body thing, but it is more than just your body. And so when we’re talking about healing, it is the healing of all of us. And that includes your soul, the one that’s locking you in the face that says, hey, something’s happening here. I want you to pay attention. at my step and slowly. I got it. I got it. Never a jump in the pool. Right. Never a jump in a cold pool. That’s too startling.

Robin Daly
Fair enough. Another thing I spotted, which I really was rather liked, was that your co-founder, Keri Lehman, describes herself as the chief spiritual officer of the organization. That’s a post I’ve never heard of before. A great title. Maybe tell us what she takes by that role.

Shariann Tom
Oh, she’s all about spirits and aliveness and living on purpose instead of letting life just take you. And so because of that strong belief that is her calling card, that is her signature, he brings that. And it’s a wonderful balance to me because I remember I said I’m the doer, so there’s me and then there’s Carrie with her spirituality and it helps me be more than I can be because I know what I know and I don’t know what I don’t know. So it’s so nice to have other people in my life that let me see other ways. It’s that openness, the possibility, the expansiveness of life.

Robin Daly
There’s some great people around and you’ve got to listen and learn. Yeah, absolutely agree. So look, we’re just about out of time. Do take the opportunity to tell everybody about all the different things you do because it’s not just training cancer coaches. You offer coaching as well. You’ve got a book, a podcast, all sorts of things. Just tell everybody a bit about them and where they can find them.

Shariann Tom
So we’ve really got our arms kind of locked around the cancer world from this emotional, mental, and spiritual standpoint. And for me, I didn’t know where to go. Here’s a place for everyone to go, whether you want to hear more about what we do. We have a podcast. New episodes are released every Friday. We have a book that is available on Amazon as a paperback or as a digital download or as, or I guess you call that, yeah, a digital book, or on Audible. So if you want to be wherever you are and you can listen to Carrie’s beautiful voice, because she did the audio. And we, if you’re looking for a coach, we’re here. We’ve worked global. We’re

Shariann Tom
And if this really resonates with you and you want to know more about how do I become a Cancer Journey Coach, all of this is available on our website, which is www.thecancerjourney.com. Right now, if you come to our website, we have a free download of a guided visualization and it’s called Meeting Your Cancer. Very provocative. Right. It is for anybody who’s on a Cancer Journey, which is a patient, even a survivor who’s still going through it or has done treatment but now is re-entering in her life, or a caregiver. The caregiver is going on the same journey as their beloved.

Robin Daly
Very much so. We haven’t spoken about that. It’s one of the many things I had on my list to talk about that we haven’t got time for. Anyway, thank you for that. Look, I’ve really loved talking to you. It’s very inspiring to hear about the work you’re doing. I love it. All your perspective on helping people, it completely resonates with me. You can come and work for yourself if you like, but I think maybe you’ve got enough on your plate. But thanks so much for coming on and sharing all this on the show today.

Shariann Tom
Thank you for having me. It’s been my pleasure, Robin.

Robin Daly
Bye, Shariann. That was a seriously uplifting chat. What Shariann and her partner Kerry have created, out of their own difficulties, is truly inspiring.

Robin Daly
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