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Robin Daly
Hello and welcome to the Yes To Life show . My name’s Robin Daly and I’ll be hosting the show today. I’m also founder of the UK charity Yes To Life that advocates for taking an integrative approach to treatment, including mind, body medicine, nutrition, exercise and a host of other techniques to achieve a more robust and lasting effect. Today, we’re focusing on teeth. Not everyone’s idea of a topic for a cancer show, but this is going to be an interesting chat as Dr. Katherine Huzelman is very tuned in to the specific needs and concerns of people with cancer. I’m speaking to Dr. Huzelman at her practice in London. Welcome to the Yes To Life show.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
Hi Robin, thanks for inviting me. It’s a real honour and pleasure to be here.

Robin Daly
Great. So you describe yourself as a holistic, integrative dentist. So there’s got to be some people out there listening who are thinking, wait a minute, dentistry, that’s a bit off piece to feature on the show about cancer, isn’t it? But actually, of course, there’s a branch of dentistry that’s been serving people with cancer and other chronic diseases for a long time, although maybe in the past, this would have been a lot more under the radar than it needs to be now in order to avoid some pretty harsh criticism. So I wonder if you’d start off by summarizing briefly why listeners with cancer should stay firmly tuned and why dentistry is a very relevant and important topic for them.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
Well, so I would say a third of my patients that I treated in England had cancer and they came specifically to see me to help them on their healing journey and often quite successfully, I might like to add. So somehow politically the mouth has been removed from the rest of the body and reasons for chronic inflammation are often, you can often find them in the mouth. A lot of people have chronic inflammation in the mouth. So even when you speak with conventional doctors, they would agree that chronic inflammation is a good basis if you want to develop a cancer. If you want to have cancer, having chronic inflammation somewhere in the body is definitely helpful. removing all the interference fields, all the chronic inflammation in the body is like a basic step if you want to heal your system. that’s number one, there’s a whole lot of research out there supporting the thesis that you might have parasites in your system, especially around the teeth and that specific teeth via meridians are linked to specific organs that then have cancer if the tooth is dead. there was a study from Birmingham, which you can’t find anymore on the net, which I read about 10 years ago that said that 96% of all women with breast cancer had a dead tooth on that side of their body on the breast meridian. So that fact has been quoted in the root cause as a movie. since the study has somewhat disappeared, I haven’t been able to find it again, but I read the whole thing when it first came out. So there’s lots of links between, like very specific links between specific teeth, specific organs, specific cancers, and their general connections between the overall health of the body and the overall health on the mouth. So that’s two good reasons to stay tuned.

Robin Daly
Okay, that’s a good start. I think he said the advancement of the science around the microbiome particularly has done much to further the cause for holistic dentistry and oral health generally. Do you want to tell us about risk developments in this area?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
it’s interesting that you even say the oral microbiome, why separate the mouth from the gut? It’s the same system. You know, see, this is integrative dentistry. Like why do we separate the mouth? You know, don’t worry. You wouldn’t put toothpaste on your bum. It’s okay. We have products from the bum that we have for the, you know, that we have for the mouth. It’s all fine. But you know, the digestive system starts in the mouth. So if you don’t have a good microbiome, it’s not good in the mouth and it’s not good in your system. But also we know that, for example, mercury in the amalgam fillings has a direct effect on the microbiome in the mouth, and therefore on the microbiome in the gut. I have heard in one lecture by Dr. Chris Shea that he said that the mercury opens the tight junctions in the gut, which means you have leaky gut. So there’s a direct connection between, you know, what’s happening in your mouth and the gut. But certainly feeding the microbiome starting in the mouth is a very good idea. So I have a product that I use myself and that all my patients have. it’s fermented Japanese fertilizer. It’s fermented fruits and vegetables turned into a fertilizer. But if you make it as a medical product, you can spray it in the mouth and you inform the whole digestive system starting from the mouth. It’s got pH of 3.5, so it actually goes through the stomach. And you line your whole system with good bacteria. It’s an absolute necessity for healing, you know, for general health, brain health, gut health, mouth health. So yeah, there are lots of connections between the microbiome and the mouth. Look at another one. For example, what do you do if you have an microbiome B, if you have a blockage on the energetic pathways around that organ? So that would be another question one could look at.

Robin Daly
Interesting. Well, that’s twice you’ve referred to meridians, which is not normal dentistry speak. And so, you know, that would be an example of the way that you’re looking at things holistically, I would say. And how much study have you put into a kind of Eastern thinking on meridians and energy systems?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
I wouldn’t say why not as much, but I guess compared to most dentists a lot. I mean, I’ve qualified as a dentist and then I started to study immunotherapy and neurolinguistic programming, I kept on studying, studying, studying and reading because I found that I want to know why this tooth hurts. You know, I want to know the reason for the toothache before I treat the tooth. nd then if you actually look for answers, you can’t, you can’t ignore traditional Chinese medicine. So I know the connections quite well. But there’s obviously always, always room for improvement. But just the fact that, you know, teeth are, you know, they’re crystals, you know, when you put pressure on them, they appear so effect and teeth produce light is like the most magical thing ever. I mean, like a haircut light, the skin color, but the teeth can. So if you then think that all the meridians run through the teeth, you suddenly understand what a vital importance they have on the general health of the system.

Robin Daly
Interesting. Okay, yeah, it’s a whole new perspective on teeth. All right, well, talking about new perspectives, I mean, I can remember a time when, you know, the skin was looked at as a kind of impervious barrier that you could slap any old chemicals on and it didn’t really matter because it all just came off, you know, and all bacteria were seen as the enemy of mankind. They needed instant eradication and teeth at that time were sort of inert material. It would either stay intact, a bit like wood or metal, you know, if you looked up, okay, or it would decay. And look, come on, what do we know now about the secret life of teeth?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
Well, you’re beautifully honest describing the relationship most people have to their teeth. For all of my new patients, they know this question. I ask them, how do you like your teeth? And they often look at me as if I’m completely weird. I get that a lot anyway. It’s like, why is it important that I like my teeth or not? You know, of course it’s important if you actually considered your teeth a living part of you and not just a tool that you use to eat, suddenly the whole relationship changes. And so the hidden life of teeth is a very good question. So you’ve already mentioned that they produce light, which I think is really, really magical. And it’s a fact that most people are completely unaware of. there’s a lot going on in the teeth. So you’ve got the heart substance, the enamel, that’s the outside layer. And the building of the enamel ends with the breaking through of the teeth into the mouth. So that doesn’t regrow throughout your lifetime. But the substance underneath the dentine regrows your whole life. for example, you do have a decay, and it goes into the tooth, the tooth starts to protect itself. So in the middle of the tooth, you’ve got the nerve. So if the decay comes close to the nerve, the tooth builds more dentine to protect the nerve from the decay. So that’s really interesting. So we know that the inside of the tooth can regrow. Why is that? Because you’ve got stem cells in the middle of the tooth.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
very magical. Then every tooth has its own blood supply, it’s got its own lymph flow and it’s got its own nerves. It’s got its own nerve, each tooth gets connected to the brain. So there’s a lot going on there, a lot of connections. So that’s, that’s on the physical level. Then you’ve got the whole traditional Chinese medicine connection to all the organs via the meridian. you’ve got some energetic connections. And then, you know, there’s like an energetic emotional connection with all the teeth. So when you’re heartbroken and you think back to your time of heartbreak, you feel it in your heart, don’t you? The body stores emotions. And we are used to referring to the heart as a good organ for storing emotions. But the teeth, do you also store emotions? that’s certainly my experience. I often drill in a tooth and suddenly I feel like I need to choke or, and then I wonder, oh my God, what am I going to say to the patient now? What’s happened? And then a question comes like, do you like to sing? And then the patient says, oh, funny, you should mention that I really, really love to sing. But when I went to boarding school, you know, I had to wear a tie and I got told that I shouldn’t sing. And then he says, hang on a minute. That was roughly about the same time I got the filling. if you learn to listen to teeth, just like you would to your heart or your hands or your skin, you know, they, they tell, they tell huge stories and often really profound stories about where we are with our integrity. If we’ve been able to listen to our soul and on our soul, it’s not so much physical things, physical things also happen in the mouth. But I find they tell me a very, very conclusive story on a lot of patients about how happy they are in their lives, where their main roadblocks are, and if they manage to listen to their heart and, you know, if they, if they can live in their own integrity or not. for me, the integrative holistic part of dentistry, the biggest part of that is removing the roadblocks and the interference fields in the mouth and helping the person back into their own integrity. You know, that’s, that’s the real magic of proper dentistry, because it should be a healing art. You know, it’s not carpentry, but I see the mouth.

Robin Daly
Okay, that’s a very good description. And right, interesting. Well, yeah, that’s quite an eye-opening description there. It’s definitely not, you know, the prevalent view, I think. So looking in terms of the relationship between nutrition and the condition of our teeth. I mean, the only thing I remember in the past was being referred to as the dangers of calcium deficiency and lots of marketing around milk. So where do things tend on calcium? And what more do we now know about nutrition and dental health?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
first of all, I didn’t have a single lecture on nutrition.

Robin Daly
Unsurprising, because that’s true about the whole medicine, that’s true, isn’t it, pretty much?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
everything I know about nutrition is from outside dental school. One of the most interesting things I’ve noticed is that a lot of people have trouble with the absorption of nutrition from the gut, and that if you want to even look at what do the teeth need to be healthy, the first place you need to look at what can the body actually absorb. you need to fix that first before you can even look into proper nutrition. But generally speaking, there’s a very old theory which I personally love very much. It refers to teeth as trees. So in a healthy environment, the tooth or the tree takes the nutrients out of the soil and spreads it out through the branches, and therefore the tree is healthy. And you can look at the tooth like that as well. if the body is in a good state, it absorbs all the nutrients, everything it needs, and it’s sort of self-cleansing. So if the body is acidic, for example, what happens is when your blood gets filtered and you need to pee, you need to buffer the blood if it’s acidic, otherwise you can’t pee. So where does the body take the minerals from to buffer the blood? It’s from the teeth. it’s the storage of minerals. So the most important thing in nutrition is to not be acidic. But that might not be nutrition. That might be how stressful you live, your life, very stressed. If you’re constantly angry, you’ll be acidic. And then nutrition, it helps, but it’s not the clue. The clue is to have a balanced blood pH to start with. But what that means for each system might be different. o this is also an aspect of integrative dentistry. There’s no one size fits all. We’d actually have to look, how is your gut absorbing? What are your stress levels? Where are you? What’s going on intracellularly? It’s not enough to look at how much magnesium you have in the blood. We need to know if it’s actually in the cells. And then you look at where your system is deficient. then you can make suggestions as to what would be helpful for your oral health. Yeah, I mean, generally speaking, obviously you need vitamin D. You need a lot of vitamin D. You need a lot of vitamin C. Most people these days are vitamin C deficient. So there’s general things that you need. And that most people will be deficient in vitamin D, vitamin C. Most people are deficient in B vitamins and minerals. So that you can supplement. But ideally, you look first, what do you actually need? How well do you absorb what’s in the cells and then build up from there?

Robin Daly
it’s a two-sided problem. I mean, all of the deficiencies you just spotted to presumably would point the finger at denatured food for that. But on the other side, you have this problem of the presumption that even if you’re eating good stuff, you might not be getting the goodies from it. And that is a problem caused by things like poor microbiome, etc. Would that be right?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
That’s correct. But for example, with the vitamin D, if you’re exposed to a lot of radiation, you know, the body finds it very difficult to transfer sunlight into vitamin D. So microbiome is utterly important for everything. But you know, there’s lots of other environmental toxins that make all these absorption processes really difficult.

Robin Daly
Interesting. Well, yeah, I noticed on your website you say you take an interest in the dietary habits, lifestyle, mental and emotional challenges of your blood. Clearly you do. And very holistic. So one of the things that kept holistic dentistry under the radar for years was its criticism of the use of metals in the mouth. Most notably, of course, mercury, one of the most toxic substances around. In fact, I see it as the honor of being in the World Health Organization’s top 10 toxins. Can you tell us about the issues with various metals in dentistry?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
Oh, I’d love to. Yes. Great, great topic. So mercury is a neurotoxin. And what we learned at dental school is if you drop mercury, even amalgam fillings on the floor, you need to pretty much evacuate the room, get a special T-men and get it cleared. But when it’s in the tooth, it’s safe.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
we have technicians coming every year to check all our equipment and our sterilizing equipment needs to be checked by a guy in a hazmat suit if we use mercurino practice.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
It’s amazing, yes. mercury is a very, very well known toxic substance. And the genodental counselor is very officially acknowledged that mercury fillings leak mercury all the time. But apparently it’s in the in the amount is safe. So how much of an amount is safe or not? I think that’s, you know, how much wine can you drink before you’re drunk? And how much wine can I drink until I’m drunk? You know, it’s the bodies are very different and how they respond to substances. So I cannot actually say who’s been harmed by mercury and who isn’t. But it’s a neurotoxin, and it has a huge effect on the gut microbiome. That’s on one level. The other level is, if you have metal, any kind of metal in your mouth, and you’re exposed to radiation, metal scatters radiation. Every radiologist can tell you if you look at an x-ray, you see a metal crown in there, and you see scattered radiation from there. And the university in Belgium has done some research also about eight or 10 years ago that 3G radiation from phones increases the amount of radiation up to 800 times from one piece of metal in the mouth because metal is an antenna. A, you have the toxicity from the mercury, and then you have the fact that metal is an antenna in the mouth and it scatters radiation. And then you have an added complication. What do you do if you have two different metals in the mouth? So if you open any book, any physics book, and you look up galvanic element, you have two different metals in a solution with electrolytes. So that’s saliva. o if you have a gold crown next to mercury filling, you will have an electric current. That’s physics. It’s basic physics. So you have a battery in your mouth. What that means, practically, if any of your listeners have a gold crown next to mercury filling, and they have very good light in their bathroom in a mirror, they can never look, and they might find that the side of the gold crown that’s next to the mercury filling will have gone completely black. you have physical evidence of the electric currents in the mouth when you look at the gold cards because none of the other sides are black. You know, so when you have mercury fillings in a tooth, and then you have a metal crown on top, when you remove the metal crown, it’s often purple or green under the surface or completely black. there’s physical evidence of the processes that happen in the mouth. So yes, three good reasons not to have metals in the mouth. So my clinic’s been metal free for now, I don’t know, about 12 years.

Robin Daly
Okay, so just give me a quick walk through the alternatives.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
Right. There is ceramic and then there’s more ceramic. It’s a beautiful product. And then obviously you have composite filling materials. That’s the white plastic filling material. There are also risks with the white filling materials because a lot of them contain BPA. Now we’re again, in the breast cancer conversation, how much CNO estrogens do you want in your system? Certainly not in your mouth where you can swallow it every time you eat something.

Robin Daly
just drop in there and we’re just focusing on that for people who are not aware. BPA is a substance in plastics that mimics estrogen and therefore can drive disease in the way that an excess of estrogen in your body would do. That fair summary? Brilliant, thank you. Okay, just keep going.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
most of the plastic, so what the BPA does is what you have in the plastic bottles as well, it makes the plastic malleable. It softens it, so it makes it much easier for the dentists to quickly put a plastic filling in a tooth if the material is more malleable, and therefore a lot of the white filling materials contain BPA. There are five brands or five products of white filling material that are BPA free. So, you know, if you go and see a dentist, it’s a good thing to ask, do you have BPA free composite? A, if you get a complete question mark and raised eyebrows, you might want to change the dentist before you can start. But, you know, it’s a good conversation to have. There’s one material that’s BPA and methacrylate free, and that’s a Swiss composite called ceramco. It’s the only one that’s free of methacrylates and free of BPA, and it’s pretty much the only composite I use that I feel safe with. It’s very expensive. It’s quite difficult. It’s not difficult to use, but it’s quite hard. It’s not an easy, it’s not quick material. Anyway, it’s worth using it. you have good composites and you have ceramics. I place ceramic implants. I place a lot of ceramic inlays, onlays, crowns, and I’ve done so in years. Not the ceramic implants there, you know, the last five years I’ve started placing those, but I’ve worked with ceramic for many, many years before with very beautiful results.

Robin Daly
So ceramic is just what it sounds like. It’s it’s a hard China like Composition and it is glued in place

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
Yes, and most, I mean, obviously not an implant, an implant you don’t glue it to the bone, you screw it in and you’ve got the integration. But for example, if you have a ceramic or porcelain onlay or inlay, yes, that’s glued onto the tooth. So that means you have a fine layer of chemistry and then you have a material that you use every day in your kitchen. And I don’t know if you know anyone who’s allergic to, you know, having a couple, do you see what I mean?

Robin Daly
I think it’s pretty safe that one. what’s a lifetime to get out of those?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
It depends what quality ceramic you have and how well you treat it. Your china in the kitchen can last three generations or you drop it and it breaks. So it depends a little bit on how you work with it. And if you have people who grind their teeth a lot, obviously they’re not. They’re more likely to fracture. On the other hand, the conversations I have with my patients, I say to them, I would potentially suggest ceramic for biological and medical reasons. And you’re grinding a lot. So it’s possible it might only last eight years or 10 years and it might fracture. The alternative would be metal. So then the decision is with the patient, would they want metal to have something that’s long lasting or would they want something that’s potentially not lasting as long, but potentially has less effect on their overall health. So that’s the decision the patient has to make.

Robin Daly
Okay, the balancing act. Okay, interesting. Thank you for that summary of all the world of nattles and dentistry. So I noticed, and this is definitely unusual for dentists, you’re also a cranial sacral therapist. Now, you’ve talked about a lot of training you did, but you mentioned this one on your website. So you obviously think it’s particularly relevant to dentistry and most people don’t. So maybe you had to tell us why.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
I’ve learned two major things during my craniosacral therapy training and that’s to really listen to tissues and that includes teeth and how to build a quantum field and work in that because you have point and spacious awareness when you give a craniosacral therapy treatment, at least I do, that’s how I trained, that’s what I learned and that’s what I love about it most. you’re sitting in a field and I can build that field whether I give a craniosacral therapy treatment or we know if I would move a tooth. So I literally do the craniosacral once I work in the teeth, which is very exciting. So if people ever had a craniosacral therapy session, they know that you can release trauma from the system, stress. So imagine you can do that from your teeth. Okay, well look.

Robin Daly
Let’s assume not everybody knows even what cranial psychotherapy is, so just give us a little summary of what you do and what you’re expecting from it, and then you can talk about working with your dentistry.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
So craniosacral therapy was, well, first of all, it was discovered during a surgery on the spine that there is a rhythm and the cranial fluid. So there was a young surgeon who was supposed to keep the whole spine very still. And the older surgeon would tell him off on a regular basis, you’ve moved, there was movement. So this is how they found that the cranial, that was Sutherland, by the way. the cranial fluid, that’s the fluid that’s around the brain and around the spine has its own rhythm. So you’ve got the pulse, you’ve got the breath, but the cranial fluid has its own rhythm. It’s quite slow. And if you’re used to holding heads in your hands, you can start feeling it. It’s like a very, very, very slow breath. if say you had an accident, you’ve knocked your head or your shoulder or your hip, they’re usually kinks in the system, you know, there’s some trauma, there’s some stress in the system, and then the cranial fluid doesn’t flow properly. that means neither the information from the brain via the nerve goes to the periphery, nor the information from the periphery goes via the kinks back to the brain. So there’s a problem in the regulation of the system. So with craniosacral therapy, it’s absolutely non-invasive. You put your hands on the body, you start a conversation, you ask the system, you know, what do you need? But if you give something space and attention, it can sort itself out. So I give you a very common example. Say you’re sitting next to a small child and the small child wants to learn how to read. If you give it your attention, it can figure out how to read much quicker as if you’re standing next to it and you’re shouting at it, or if you leave it alone. people know that everyone knows that if someone’s sitting next to you being fully present, you can figure things out quite easily. So there’s no difference to the body. So if you’re present with the body and the structures, and you engage with specific structures and you tune in, then you can ask questions and you receive answers. you can treat the whole system, you know, particularly amazing for babies after birth and mothers after birth to remove the trauma and to make sure that the whole system grows in a very symmetrical way. in all indigenous cultures, for example, if a baby is born, it bonds with a mother, and then the elders sit and hold the head to make sure that they had a symmetrical because that’ll make the whole body work a lot better. So that’s, it’s a bit like osteopathy, but I mean, the osteopath study for five to six years, for me, it was a part-time one year degree. I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t say I’m like an osteopath, but if people had osteopathic treatments, you know, craniosacral is quite similar in effects and the treatment modality.

Robin Daly
Okay, interesting. So yeah, maybe you can speak a bit now about you actually using these in your practice for your dentistry.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
there’s a very, um, a pragmatic way of how I use it. So if someone had a long dental session, you know, most people are not very relaxed when they’re on the chair. most people get quite tense and if the chair for a couple of hours, they have a stiff neck or imagine they had a surgery, they had a couple of teeth removed. If they then go home and have a stiff neck, you know, the lymph lymph system can’t drain and they get swollen and things like that. So on a very pragmatic level, after every surgery, my patients, at least I offer, and they can say yes or no. Uh, I offer them a craniosecular therapy session to make sure that there’s no stiffness in the neck so that everything can drain and things can yield properly. I use it without talking about it every time I touch a tooth because, you know, when I work with teeth, of course, like I’m a dentist, you know, of course I ask the teeth like, are you today? What do you need? You know, what I do, I do that with myself. I do that with the carrot. I peel in the kitchens. Of course I do that with the teeth. then just having learned to be present with the structure and feel subtle changes in how they, how they position themselves. This might sound very weird, but if someone, for example, had, had braces, you know, you move teeth and then they end up in the bone socket and sometimes you hold a tooth and then they sort of have a little dig until they are properly settled in their bone socket. the toothache goes away. You know, I’ve had that in patients. So that happens as I do the dentistry. But then also what you learn, you learn to release trauma from structures and tissues. When you learn to do craniosecular therapy and you know, it’s quite magical doing that when you do surgeries, when you remove a tooth and at the same process, you remove the trauma from the area. I use it in different ways.

Robin Daly
really interesting. Okay, thanks. Well, that’s certainly a new kind of conversation for me. I’ve not heard anything like that before. So really interesting. And I want to talk a little bit about bone health. Now, this is something that you get into. Of course, you’re dealing with teeth, but those teeth are connected to bones. And so, you know, there’s definite issues around dead stream bone health. tell us about the work you did in that area and what you can do. And I’ll talk to you soon.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
when patients consider whether they suffer from osteoporosis or not, quite often they come to me and say, what do you think? And then you can look at the dental x-rays and you get a rough idea what the bone density is like. So obviously the lower jaw is quite thin, you know, it’s like centimeter and a half width. if you take an x-ray of that, of any structures in the lower jaw, you get a good idea about how solid and dense the bone is or not. So that’s one like general area where dentists usually have a good eye on what’s going on in the whole body. Bone health itself, so obviously, yeah, the teeth are held in the bone and some people lose bone around the teeth and the teeth become wobbly and have lots of different reasons. So that could be that the bite’s not correct and they’re knocking the teeth every time they chew. It could be that they’re not cleaning their teeth very well, or it could be that they have a collagen vitamin C deficiency. It could be that they have a vitamin D deficiency. So you know, then you need to look, is it individual specific teeth that struggle with bone? Is it the whole mouth? And then what are the origins? Is it bacterial or is it nutritional? So that’s how it looks at bone health. But sort of, you know, the bone is the structure that holds the teeth. if you look at teeth having sole contents, you know, you can’t look at the teeth without the bone. It’s what holds everything together is the foundation of who you are.

Robin Daly
fair to say that you can’t have a teacher there looking at a band, but a lot of dentists do. That’s correct. Thought so. Yeah. Okay.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
May I add something else about bone health? So slightly different angle. If you have a dead tooth in the bone, what tends to happen is dead teeth harbor lots of bacteria, and often the bone around the dead tooth dies. So if you take out a tooth, usually the bone sock is supposed to bleed, but often if you remove a dead tooth, it doesn’t even bleed because the bone around it. talking about bone health, so when I remove a tooth, I not just take the tooth out and let the body do its job, I also then clean out the socket and I generally produce a bleed by removing a little bit of the dead bone that’s still there. So the body can drain all the bacteria that are in the bone from the dead tooth, so that it can actually heal. Because what happens if you just remove the tooth and let the body do its job, which generally I’m very much a fan of letting the body do its job because the body knows exactly what it needs to do. But if you just remove the tooth and you’re not removing the periodontal ligament, that’s the skin between the tooth and the bone, and you’re not fully removing the infection, how can the body heal the bone? then a lot of people who had an extraction with a conventional dentist would go back to the pain and they get the diagnosis dry socket, which is when you’ve lost the clot in the socket and therefore it doesn’t heal. And then you have bacteria going in, the bone doesn’t heal properly, and often 10 years later you can still see that the bone hasn’t healed properly after an extraction. Sometimes if you go into these areas, you find fatty tissue with toxins in these areas of where the bone hasn’t healed properly after an extraction. So bone health for me also means that when I remove the tooth, you’re most likely faint if I say all of this now. I remove the tooth, you know, I scrape out the socket, I go in with a burr, I clean out the bone, then I irrigate the whole area with hydrogen peroxide and iodine if the patient can handle iodine. Then I go in with ozone and I go in with my red light laser and then I activate the tissues and put sutures on top of it to make sure you have a clean socket with a firm black clot in there and it can heal. This is an absolute necessity for bone health.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
Usually, I don’t do surgery on patients with the vitamin D level that’s below 80 nanograms per milliliter, either looking at bone health and the capacity to heal. There’s absolutely no EMFs allowed, any mobile phones near the head after surgery. That’s also all part of bone health. People need to have the right amount of phospholipids after a surgery so the bone can heal. So, it’s two levels of bone health.

Robin Daly
A lot to know, and look one question that I find I have which I find difficult to square is that dentistry seems to be all about x-rays these days, it’s not just ordinary x-rays you now have the equivalent of CT scans for teeth, where you go right round getting a three-dimensional picture, all great for a dentist to know what’s going on and to know what to do and all that, but you know one of the things where even the government tells us, but they don’t really do of course, is that we should be avoiding x-rays as much as possible and reducing our exposure to them. So you as a holistic dentist, how do you square those two things? Is it a balancing act or what?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
it’s a balancing act. So if I say I have a patient you have known for 10 years, they’ve needed one filling and those 10 years, you know, I would x-ray them very, very, very, very, very, very little, you know, if they have a tooth that has a problem, I would take an x-ray, maybe every five years I take an x-ray just to make sure I’m not overlooking anything. But if someone comes with a diagnosis like cancer, Parkinson’s, you know, any of the any of the big diagnosis, I do take x-rays, I do take a panoramic x-ray, so I have a good two dimensional overview of the whole system. if they had their teeth infections in the bone from, you know, previous extractions, then I do a 3d scan as well, because I need to see exactly how much infection is there, where is it? And how do I need to prepare the patient for the surgery? So then it becomes a diagnostic tool that’s necessary for me to make the right recommendations. Whereas if the patient is fairly healthy, has no general health issues, and good teeth, it’s not necessary. But the patients that come who are systemically ill, I usually do take a cone beam computer to lock for the CBCT, that’s the 3d scan, and a panoramic x-ray, so I have a very good working basis for the necessary surgeries that they might need.

Robin Daly
do you holistically do anything to mitigate the effects of the radiation?

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
most of my patients are very clever. So they have been to Ainsworth homeopathic pharmacy and they have their after-radiation, pre- and after-radiation homeopathic remedies in their handbag every time they come and see a dentist anyway. then a lot of my patients take spirulina because there’s been research from Chernobyl and they’ve given children a gram of spirulina morning and evening after Chernobyl and they realized that after a month’s time all the ill effects of the radiation had completely disappeared from their systems. So that’s the kind of suggestions I give the patients before and after radiation.

Robin Daly
Okay, now you mentioned there one of the things you’re doing when you’re cleaning up somebody’s jaw from an infection is use red light therapy. So this is kind of novel stuff for people, you know, it’s getting word of it, it’s getting around for various, all sorts of different effects it can have. There you are using it in dentistry. I understand you’ve got a very fancy red light laser machine. Tell us what you do with it, what it’s doing, how it works.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
It’s very fancy and I absolutely love it. I mean, like when I bought my ozone machine, I was already very excited. It goes with me. I now have two and I’m very excited about my ozone machines, but the red light laser is a completely different level of medicine. I tell you how I came across the red light laser. In Germany, they have a medical conference where you have medical professionals talking about integrative medicine for five days nonstop. So this is my personal perfect playground. I was like a kid in a sweet shop. I was high five days when I first went. after the five days of not having slept much, full of information, I developed a stye in my right eye and I came to the store where they had the red light laser and there was an osteopath, a naturopath sitting there. He looked at me. He’s like, come on, sit down. I give you treatment. And I was like, okay. he plucked this red light laser into my vein and within a minute, my very overloaded, overexcited brain was clear and open. It was like someone switched the light on in my brain. It was like, this is next level of medicine. It was just red light. And so what the red light laser does is it’s got two areas where I use it. I actually put it into people’s veins or just touch the veins that goes into the blood and it has a frequency that activates the mitochondria. So this is where the cancer patients all open their ears again because everyone who has looked into cancer outside the system knows they’ve got chronically fermenting cells and they ferment chronically because the mitochondria don’t function very well. the issue is the mitochondria. It’s not that some weird things made its way into the system but the mitochondria stopped functioning properly. So treating people with something that’s non-invasive and frequency-based, helping the mitochondria gain strength. I mean, for me, that’s the medicine of the future. So I’ve experienced it myself. My mum, she recently died, but she suffered from cancer. every time I plucked the red light laser into her vein, she would perk up and be clear. And the results last quite a long time. So I’ve seen this. Every time I give someone the red light laser, their hormones are more balanced, they have more clarity in their head and they have more energies, absolute magic with no side effects. Also, you can give someone or they can take, I’m not allowed to give that to anyone, but people can order some methylene blue, which is an electron donor. Again, that helps the mitochondria. So if you take methylene blue and then you have 45 minutes later, the red light laser in the vein, it’s like, you know, you’re getting…

Robin Daly
double whammy.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
it’s absolutely magical. So I use that, you know, generally when people are ill, I plug it into their veins, but I also use it locally because it doesn’t just activate the mitochondria. It also, you’ve most likely heard that a lot of people have very thick blood these days and that the blood cells clot together and build relays. And the frequency of the laser undoes these relays. it makes the blood more, it flows easier, the velocity gets better, and the red blood cells regain their elasticity, which means they can go into all the small capillaries and actually give the oxygen of where it’s needed. So it’s against pain, it’s against valine, it’s against inflammation. If you apply it locally and systemically, it’s like, it’s magic. I love that thing. It costs 9,000 euros. You know, it’s not something you would buy like that. It’s my new absolute favorite tool and it goes everywhere where I go, literally.

Robin Daly
it’s anti-inflammatory and it’s also promoting healing to the area when you use it. Kind of things you have in mind. Fascinating. All right, well, look, time’s up. What a talk. I haven’t ever had a talk about dentistry quite like this one. So thank you very much. It’s been very eye-opening and thanks very much for coming on the show today, Katherine.

Dr Kathrin Huzelmann
Well, you’ve asked great questions that allowed me to completely fly away and know what I’m really passionate about. So thank you very much. And to all your listeners, I can only suggest, you know, don’t overlook the teeth. You know, start talking to them and ask yourself questions. Why does this tooth hurt now? You know, can I observe any patterns? how does the dental treatment fit into my overall health? You know, sometimes autoimmune diseases start after weak canal treatment. You know, it’s very good having a long term timeline looking at these things.

Robin Daly
thanks so much. well I did say the interview would be interesting some of that may have been a step too far from irregular dentistry for you but there was plenty of useful material for everyone sift through that personally I’m blessed with really great teeth but I have to say that if I needed anything extensive done Dr. Huzelman would be just my kind of dentist thanks so much for listening today please make a point to joining me again next week for another yes to life show.